The lights visible in the KPNO webcam are somewhere between Phoenix and Tucson, and I think are partly along I-10. ** If there wasn't so much crud in the air I might be able to tell but the layer of nasty particulate matter extends almost as high as Kitt peak itself. The webcam on the 4 meter could use a little cleaning (try a lot). Jimmy Ray -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list.