Picked up Jupiter with Callisto only, well away from the disc, about 15 minutes after sunset. Ten minutes later, Ganymede slowly emerged from behind the north half of the disc. I still can't see Europa in front of the planet. No one notices the contrast of white on white. The shadow event for Europa will begin in 20 minutes, just as Europa gets ready to depart from in front of Jupiter. We should be able to see Europa then, thanks to contrast against the darker limb. Tom -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list.