Rick, Thanks for sleuthing a suspect. GOES 1 is the best explanation I've seen. The coordinates you chose are very close. Here, are the GPS coordinates for the Doney Mtn Picnic Area (Wupatki) from my Etrex: N31.53 W111.40. The track does run a bit south of where I first picked up the object but, given the uncertainty in my position/motion estimates and the probability that slight misalignment of the polar axis was influencing the tracking, GOES 1 moves to the top of the suspect list. Regards, Bill cc: az-observing Rick Tejera wrote: Bill, I love a good mystery in the morning. I think I've found your "rougue" GEOsat. What I did was to dowmnload the latest elements of Geosat from www.celestrak.com, entered them int o Skymap Pro v9and ran a pass prediction. I estimated your position as N35.57 W 111.40, set the time and then ran the prediction. Problem was too many sattelites to check kept locking up Skymap. I then Figured I'd make a few guesses (Skymap will either predict one selected sat or all in the list.) The second one I picked (I thought I'd start with ones whoses names I've heard of) was GOES 1 (sms-c). The pass seemed to be pretty close to what yuo described. Maybe a bit farther off, but the elements were a bit old ( guess they don't upudate them as ofeten as others). I've attached a jpeg of the Skymap screen for you to compare. let me know if yoou think this is what you saw. Bill Ferris "Cosmic Voyage: The Online Resource for Amateur Astronomers" URL: http://www.cosmic-voyage.net -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list.