Time to get that 12" done! Long time Club member Paul Lind performed the testing of the uncoated Schwaar mirrors and the results were as follows: Unsigned 14.5" mirror, R=148.5" Three Foucault tests were done for four zones. Each test was analyzed by computer curve fitting. Average calculated surface error is 0.068, or 1/15 wave. An Offner null test was performed and this indicated a very good null with very faint zone about 1" from the edge. This is not serious and could not be seen in the Foucault test. The null test could easily detect a zone even on a 1/15 wave mirror. Signed 14.5" mirror, R=140.6" Four Foucault tests were done for four zones. Each test was analyzed by computer curve fitting. Average calculated surface error is 0.110, or about 1/9 or 1/10 wave. An Offner null test was performed and this indicated a very good null. I was there when Pierre ground and tested my 14.5" mirror also. Test methods of yore were good enough to detect figure and smoothness on excellent mirrors and even too good. You got to the limits of your time, patience, interest, or skill and then pronounced it done. Apparently among mass producers the point you shot the mirror maker and shipped it varied greatly with schedule, quality acceptable, and backlog. Zambuto etc. are the absolute cream and have reputations to uphold, however long it takes, and even stop taking orders if need be. Jack Jones Saguaro Astronomy Club Public Events Phoenix AZ spicastar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > How do you know that the mirror Pierre ground and polished checked out > to 1/15th wave? Was that P-V or RMS. I know how Pierre ground and figured his > mirrors I was there when he did my 14 inch mirror. BTW I know how to use a > knife edge too. I have a 12 inch mirror sitting in my cabinet that I did under > Pierre's supervision that just needs final polish and then testing. > > As far as Cave mirrors are concerned, They were hit or miss, the quality > of the mirror was dependent on how may back orders they had. If they had to > ship whether the mirror was ready or not it went off to the coaters the idea > being that the new telescope owner would not know the difference! > > The mirrors that are coming from Swayze. Zambutto Tom Hall and many > others are really much better than anything you could get from years past. There > are testing methods available today that are much better than what was > available 30 years ago. > > Clear Skies > Dwight L Bogan -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list.