The article said east of 85 so that would be no where near Sentinel. More closer to Vekol Rd though. The plane probably went down just east of 85 there is a range that is used quite frequently you could be called the downhill death trap. I've seen it from a distance. Many of F100's F4's F 104's and even F15's have bought the farm on this one. I'm sure F16 pilots are trained to ignore laser activity. I've heard that the iragi insurgents have tried to confuse laser guided munitions by shining a laser at the aircraft it won't work of course. Clear Skies Dwight L Bogan -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list.