Brian, I second Tom's thank-you for this information and your very welcome offer to use the site this year. I certainly intend to try it as much as possible. As a double star/planet person, real good seeing is everything. Unfortunately, it is very rare in my backyard and, so far, non-existant at any of the sites used by SAC or EVAC that I have visited. Is there any hope that us amateurs will be permitted to use the Happy Jack site after the 4-meter project is in operation. Parking lot, maybe? Regards, Bill Wood Fountain Hills, AZ -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list.