I am not going to get in trouble for reposting this one, he gave permission this time. Jim is on 28kb dialup to send these from GCSP and is only posting to CN. Andrew -------------------- *Grand Canyon Star Party 2006-DAY THREE* Last night was better than Night Two, but still windy. The lower lot is still fully occupied by large storage buildings and other construction materials. Those of you who've been up there before have a feeling for the size of The Pit, but let's just say that except for the path through the gate and down the hill, all flat space on the bottom is occupied, and stacked at least 15 feet high with a variety of pipes, buildings, prefab walls, etc. Don't think it'll be possible to clear it out while we're here. Night Three was not as crowded at our end of the parking lane, but the area up near the Observing Station seem denser, if possible. Imagine three one-way parking lanes from a small shopping plaza parking lot, maybe 30 slots on each side of each lane. Lanes two and three are inbound to the station, lane one is outbound. Lane three, one-way inbound on the right coming in, and lane one, on the left coming in but one way outbound, form sort of a pair of parentheses. Lanes two and three are flat paved, with parking between them sized for tour buses/motor homes. Between lanes one and two is a wide island, fully forested. Most setup is in the parking slots along the outside of the curved outbound lane. The inside-of-the-curve parking slots are used for parking the astronomers' vehicles. However, with some slots having three, four, or five scopes, those slots disappear fast. Overflow for both setup and parking is on the other side of the trees in lanes two an three. The single car wide lanes are roped to allow traffic. Park shuttle busses run through ever 15 minutes until after 11 PM, and there are NO traffic restrictions. Kind of like setting up in the middle of third world bazaar. The mostly extremely young National Park Service rangers are awesome at traffic management. As hectic as it sounds (and it is!), I'm really enjoying the whole chaotic experience. Setup is OK, but to score a spot for the night I've been backing the truck into the spot I want around 10 AM when the lot is mostly empty. Then around 5:15 PM I pull a couple of feet forward, empty the equipment out, and drive around to Lane 2 and park. The shuttle bus service is so good that unless we're going out of the park, we don't need the truck. Still, by midnight, after standing and yakking for six hours to maybe 100-200 visitors, and occasionally climbing the ladder to keep things in view, having to take it all down and pack the truck each night makes the 60 year old feet, legs, and back holler for mercy. I miss the Pit! On with the show. The wind was still intrusive, but not so bad as the last night. The visitors were very patient waiting out the gusts and letting me reline up the super kite on the object of interest. If anything, though, the seeing and transparency were better last night. The southwestern winds are doing a good job of keeping the smoke from the current batch of Arizona wildfires out of the way. I started out, as usual, with Jupiter. But so did everyone else! I started up around 7:45, while the sun was still above the horizon. Jupiter was just a tiny white dot, but we all found it. And was it ever spectacular, again! I held onto it for almost an hour; always a line of folks wanting a view. Went back to it off and on all night. The image in the 9mm Nagler was HUGE. I will say that I've done a good job at keeping the mirrors clean and the scope collimated, and it's paying off greatly. Folks who claim to have never seen it before are counting 10 bands. In one brief look when the wind was quiet, I stopped counting. After sunset, some of us whipped over for a last look at Saturn on the horizon. Another star of the show, since the smaller kids could just stand and look in. Universal excitement; even with the truss darn near flat, Cassini looked like a highway and most visitors could notice the subtle shading of the planet itself.. It was extremely gratifying for all the visitors to repeat that Jupiter and Saturn looked the best in this scope compared to all the others they'd looked into. The great atmospherics allowed me to pump it up to over 250X easily. The collimation allow the images to be the crispest I've ever seen. At least five of the visitors who claimed to be new at this reported the turbulence in the Jovian bands without my coaching. And even the 8 year olds described Cassini perfectly, with enthusiasm. OK, enough of the easy stuff. I hate to move on to another object with a line at the scope and the departing folks entusiastic about what they saw, so I was a little behind the folks near me at moving onto deep sky items. Since Hercules Cluster and the Ring Nebula were in view on a half dozen other scopes, I went over to the Sombrero. Best ever. Dust lane screaming out. Gorgeous stellar core. Usually I run about 25% visitors who just can't see what we're talking about, but this time I didn't have to prompt at all. Not a single "I can't see it". One "I just saw this in a magazine and it looks just like it but upside down." Quite a few "Now I see why it's called that." A digression. So far, the one memory I'll carry away from this year's trip was on Night Two. While we were looking at Jupiter, just after the ball of the sun had disappeared and most visitors were up at the top of the lane at the nightly slide show, a lady who seemed in her 60's came up. She was maybe 5'1" tall, and the wind should have blown her away. Something about her mannerisms struck me as very dignified. After she looked at Jupiter, first we discussed what she had seen; she was very curious, and quite able to understand what I was explaining. Then she told me something I could tell from her accent. She said "I'm an Indian, (meaning Native American), and when we were young we learned about the stars". And she quietly related how when she was young, the "fathers and grandfathers" taught the children how to find their way by the stars. She talked about how they learned how to find their way at the bottom of the Grand Canyon, when all they could see were certain bright stars each season. It was still light; only Jupiter and Vega were visible. We talked a bit about how civilizations have reasons to look up, and how some other cultures used the stars. She was short on time, and wanting to come back later to talk about what she'd learned so long ago, but she was couldn't stay longer that night. I really hope she makes it back this week; her visit still hangs with me after two days. Anyway, on Night Three as the crowds began to dwindle down, I broke away from the Ring and Dumbbell I'd been showing and talked with the dozen or so folks left about multiple stars. If a star condenses out of a gas cloud, why only one star? I used that as an intro to Arabic naming convention for bright stars, hopped up with the laser pointer to Cygnus, pointed the Summer Triangle and how to use it to find Polaris after the Big Dipper has set, then on to Deneb and finally put the scope on Albireo. Another easy Oh Wow at the blue/gold pair. Then we finished with the Acor/Mizar view. Got the usual 60% who could see the pair naked eye, so I told them with that ability to resolve at a distance they could be leaders in the Persian army a few millenia ago. Then I put the 9mm on Mizar and got the next set of Oh Wows. How Alcor jumps out, and the neat little blue star in the middle of it all. With that, my feet, legs, and back were gone along with the visitors. Shared an incredible view of M51 with those hearty of us who didn't mind a three step climb up the ladder. Gave up after that. Observing buddy John (who was wowing them with the Veil in his homebuilt 14" tube dob) helped me pack up and load the truck. He's off to the North Rim for a few nights. I'll be here as long as the body survives. This stuff is SO much fun! Oh, BTW, why the 9mm, when objects take about 45 seconds to wander across? Two reasons. First, visitors new to looking through the telescope seem to need practice to interpret the smaller image sizes of some DSOs at lower power. So if the seeing supports it, I use it since the Nagler's FOV makes it possible to show an object to two or three folks without having to recenter. And I've been able to talk some of them through the gentle lift or push to keep it centered in the field, minimizing my need to interfere. Second, people with astigmatism (and I'm one of them!) have trouble looking through the smaller powers since the exit pupil crosses more of the imperfect cornea curvature. Since so many people come through my stop, it's difficult to roll back the eye guard for people with glasses and then roll it back up for those without glasses (or wipe out the eyepiece with eyelash oils). So, I recomment to folks with glasses that they remove them for a better view, and that means that resulting astigmatism is minimized with high power. Image size, and astigmatism. I do go up to 22mm, or even 50 mm, on the Veil, Lagoon, Swan, etc. OK, off to dinner and on to Day Four... -------------------- Jim A Bad Night With A Telescope Beats A Good Night Doing Anything Else Andrew Cooper ---------------------------------------------------- http://www.siowl.com -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list.