Brian; Thanks, I will do that, with that source I should be able to find all = the stars that move around each other quickly and could be followed in 3 to = 10 years to see some motion in their orbit. That is what I meant by rapid motion binaries. I will certainly look over the source your provided. =20 As always, thanks for your time and effort; Steve Coe -----Original Message----- From: az-observing-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:az-observing-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Brian Skiff Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 7:21 PM To: az-observing@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [AZ-Observing] Re: [Fwd: Re: Re: Rapid motion binary stars] >> REU 1 12:33.5 +0901, 12.6/12.6, 15.9 year period, max 1.2", min = 0.2" The first thing I do when I ponder an object like this is to find out where it actually is: 12 33 17.41 +09 01 15.7 (J2000) That position is for the year 2000, and it is moving 1".7 per year to the west-northwest. The magnitudes: it happens to be a Landolt standard, a star that people use to calibrate photometry. Landolt gives mean V mag of 12.(5 (rounding off), so if the components are exactly equal, they are mag 13.2 and 13.2, actually visually a couple tenths fainter, because the pair are so red (B-V =3D 1.85 --- as red as Betelguese). The faint magnitudes and very close separation (mostly under 0".5) indicates the pair will be visible only in maybe 24-inch and larger scopes with great optics and perfect seeing. I'd stick to naked-eye stars for such objects. >> LDS 838 01:38.8 -1758, 12.45/12.95, 26.5 year period, max 2.3", min = 0.3" Another very well-known nearby binary, in this case moving twice as fast as the first pair, about 3".5 per year proper motion. The = position as of 6 years ago was: 1 39 01.52 -17 57 01.7 (J2000) Similar comments about the visibility as above apply to this pair. A better, more general approach might be to grab the entire orbit file from USNO, linked from here: http://ad.usno.navy.mil/wds/orb6.html I would delete everything that has components fainter than mag 7 or so. Then delete everything that has orbit grade of 4 or 5 (all the lousy orbits). Then I'd delete everything that has a semimajor axis=20 less than an arcsecond. Just as a guess, that'll leave at most 50=20 pairs (whole-sky) that are bright enough to see when close and have some fairly significant motion. Might be only a dozen in the north. \Brian -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and = please=20 send personal replies to the author, not the list. -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list.