We were only able to make it to the meadow for the Saturday night, which was unfortunate, as this is a great site for a large group. The meadow is accessed on a smooth road by any passenger car. My GPS says that the site is 3.4 miles south-southwest of the Discovery Channel Telescope site and 1000 feet lower. Setting up on the north end provides an expansive view to the south. Those who felt inclined to look north toted their telescopes away from their vehicles, but we were content to work from the back of the truck at the expense of some northern horizon. I kept busy until 1 a.m. surveying the globular clusters in Ophiuchus with my 10-inch. Jennifer worked her way through my "Celestial Portraits" article on Sagittarius until she had to be stopped at 3:00. We walked out into the meadow at 3:30 to view the first bit of twilight, and anticipate the rising of Venus, which didn't happen until much later. The meadow is obviously prone to cold-air drainage from above, as the temperature bottomed out at 25 degrees. Having left the house 14 hours earlier under a temperature of 105 degrees, an 80-degree range in one day is a personal best (or worst). I made perfunctory glances at Epsilon Lyrae, the Double Double, every couple hours as a seeing check, and noticed that the settling chill was not helping the seeing. Considering the practical consideration of getting a lot of people onto a site, I don't know if we're going to do a lot better. I posted some pictures of people with scopes and a few of the setting moon, among other subjects. http://www.pbase.com/polakis/fivemile20040619 Tom -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list.