Seeing was worse this morning than yesterday, which was worse than the night before, when it was only mediocre. Despite this, Deimos was visible at 650x in my 10-inch. Although Phobos is a magnitude brighter, it is also much closer to the planet. The light from Mars kept Phobos hidden from view, even when Mars was hidden beind the high-tech, Aluminium foil occulting bar. The article about viewing Martian moons in the August issue of S&T is a great help. For a real-time view, Starry Night Pro does a good job showing the present central meridian and moon orientation when it's not busy locking up my computer. Also, Mars Viewer (http://ringmaster.arc.nasa.gov/tools/viewer2_mar.html) shows the orientation of the moons at any time. Tom -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list.