I am just getting in from viewing Jupiter in the daytime sky. It was located about 7 degrees to the lower left of the moon, which provided something in an otherwise blank sky for naked-eye focusing. It was also in the polarization band 90 degrees from the sun. Thanks to Alister Ling for getting me started on this a long time ago. At what point does an observation become cheating? I began with 10x30mm image-stabilized binoculars, which showed Jupiter about a half hour before sunset. Then I pointed my telescope in the same area, finding it in its 8x50mm finderscope. From there I turned the Telrad up to full brightness, and memorized the position in the bullseye. Then I used a 67mm circular polarizer rotated to the optimal position, which darkened the sky dramatically. 15 minutes before sunset, Jupiter became visible through the polarizer. Only in the last five minutes before sunset did it become visible without the aid of the polarizer. All of this begs the answerable question: how did the ancient Chinese astronomers miss Jupiter in the daytime sky? Tom -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list.