Yesterday, several of us looked at Jupiter during the day without optical aid. I had been looking at it just after sunset the previous day, so I know about where to point my telescope. After putting the scope on it, we looked through the Telrad, and there it was at 6:30 p.m. The best time to look is in the last half hour before sunset. Start by looking due south (usually easy to do in Phoenix) about one-third of the way from the horizon to the zenith, and then move your gaze about half of this angle (15 degrees) to the left. The problem is focusing your eyes to infinity. Like the lens on my annoying old point-and-shoot camera, I just can't switch my eyes' auto-focus off. A polarizing filter darkens this part of the sky a lot. Alister Ling wrote about daytime Jupiter viewing here. http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/amastro/message/4050 Tom -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list.