Hey All, I would like to thank Telrad, AJ, Tom, and Paul Lind for the great conversation and helpful advice. It's wonderful to be able to get answers to questions out in the field, or to tap into some experience to help you with your own projects. It was a wonderful nite, and I strongly agree with Telrad's and AJ's estimates of seeing/trans. I was able to bag 16 more NGC obs complete with drawings, and when the moon came up, it was so depressing! Even more depressing was waking up just 2 short hours later to a fully illuminated sky! All in all, it was "Chicken Soup for the Astronomer's Soul" that nite. One thing though...if any of you by chance know the group that left without the standard "white light" warning, please remind/inform them of traditional "Star Party Etiquitte" This move set most of us back a good 15-20 minutes until we could get re-dark adapted. Incidentially, this same group left the only trash that I've ever seen an astronomer(s) leave behind at one of our treasured dark sky sites. They seemed "astro-savvy" enough, but definately uninitiated to group outings. The rumblings afterwords were light hearted enough, but with a very serious (angry!!) undertone, and it's obvious to me that this is something that all (well, almost all) astronomers care a great deal about. These are good topics to discuss beforehand with anyone you may invite out to their first "dark sky" experience. Enough of that though, Thanks to all for making this a great hobby!!! I'm quite relaxed after that wonderful "astro-massage", hope to do it again this coming weekend. Thad Thad Robosson Please note my new Email address... starstarcracker@xxxxxxxxx SAC Member, ATM subgroup Chairman, Double star enthusiast Phoenix, Arizona, USA 112 08.03W, 33 32.67N The use of your "delete" key is authorized. --- This message is from the AZ-Observing mailing list. If you wish to be removed from this list, send E-mail to: AZ-Observing-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, with the subject: unsubscribe. The list's archive is at: //www.freelists.org/archives/az-observing This is a discussion list. Please send personal inquiries directly to the message author. In other words, do not use "reply" for personal messages. Thanks.