[AZ-Observing] Re: A question and a request
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OK tell me what is the difference between using a DSC and using charts.
Your supposed to use only memory to find each target. Oh this person cheated
but he used Charts, this person cheated used a goto. This person cheated
using a DSC made motor noises for effect. ;-) Last your supposed to use Morse
Code to check each object off. This is my $.02 cents worth.
Dwight
In a message dated 7/20/2014 5:14:29 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
beevo1@xxxxxxx writes:
Some of this is starting to sound like the Morse-Code vs no Morse-Code in
the ham radio circles. ROFLMAO
I was chastised for the use of a DSC a long time ago, I asked the guy who
was giving me a hard time about it "which would you rather do look FOR
something or look AT something" He left me alone. For the record I can
see
both sides of the fence from here.....
If an observing list award requires that you manually find the object then
it is pretty clear, using a DSC, GoTo etc can be construed as cheating. If
I won the award and others were "cheating" to gain the same, then I would
likely call BS as well.
On the image posting deal, it was not the posting of the images so much,
but
as was mentioned the flood of atta boy posts that followed. I think
changing the reply default is a good idea. There were some flurries of
one
image after another posts by the same individual(s) in rapid succession
over
the years that got a bit tiring, but that too has fallen by the wayside.
Having done little imaging that I would care to post publically I do
understand the thrill of having a good image or series thereof to post.
My $.02 can I have some change please....
Beevo
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[mailto:az-observing-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David M. Douglass
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 4:39 PM
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Subject: [AZ-Observing] Re: A question and a request
Hi Eric.... your point about the AL rules (for specific programs) is well
noted.
BUT...... many of those programs are changing, to modernize operation and
get "in sync" with the general marketplace and user population.
I am sure some will never change as in probably the Caldwell program.
As I was pointing out to Al earlier today, although the "Bright Nebulae"
program allows for automation (read "goto" and "computer assist"), they
definitely have a rule saying "no remote observatory use".
David M. Douglass
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[mailto:az-observing-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Eric Steinberg
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 4:23 PM
To: az-observing@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [AZ-Observing] Re: A question and a request
Hi Steve, All -
Regarding the second point, I agree but would make one exception: There
are
a number of AL certificate programs (e.g. Messier, Caldwell, etc.) that
specifically require manual acquisition of the objects. In those cases,
using a goto is certainly cheating. We're not cops, but when the label
fits.....
Eric
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Subject: [AZ-Observing] A question and a request
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 15:55:00 -0700
Howdy all;
I have two things to say and I promise I am not trying to start any
problems, so let's be nice.
One, wasn't "az-astroimaging" started as a place to put images so that
observers and imagers could keep their two activities separate? I have
seen
some folks putting their images in both locations and I thought that is not
the idea.
Two, I would like to request that we stop using the term "cheating" when
something is being done that others view as an "incorrect" method of
operation. People say someone is cheating if they are using electronic
finding aids, if they are star hopping. Someone here referred to cheating
because they used an imaging service to gather data remotely.
Let's resist the temptation to call people cheaters because they are
viewing
or imaging the sky in a method other than yours.
Clear skies;
Steve Coe
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