OK tell me what is the difference between using a DSC and using charts. Your supposed to use only memory to find each target. Oh this person cheated but he used Charts, this person cheated used a goto. This person cheated using a DSC made motor noises for effect. ;-) Last your supposed to use Morse Code to check each object off. This is my $.02 cents worth. Dwight In a message dated 7/20/2014 5:14:29 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, beevo1@xxxxxxx writes: Some of this is starting to sound like the Morse-Code vs no Morse-Code in the ham radio circles. ROFLMAO I was chastised for the use of a DSC a long time ago, I asked the guy who was giving me a hard time about it "which would you rather do look FOR something or look AT something" He left me alone. For the record I can see both sides of the fence from here..... If an observing list award requires that you manually find the object then it is pretty clear, using a DSC, GoTo etc can be construed as cheating. If I won the award and others were "cheating" to gain the same, then I would likely call BS as well. On the image posting deal, it was not the posting of the images so much, but as was mentioned the flood of atta boy posts that followed. I think changing the reply default is a good idea. There were some flurries of one image after another posts by the same individual(s) in rapid succession over the years that got a bit tiring, but that too has fallen by the wayside. Having done little imaging that I would care to post publically I do understand the thrill of having a good image or series thereof to post. My $.02 can I have some change please.... Beevo -----Original Message----- From: az-observing-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:az-observing-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David M. Douglass Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 4:39 PM To: az-observing@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [AZ-Observing] Re: A question and a request Hi Eric.... your point about the AL rules (for specific programs) is well noted. BUT...... many of those programs are changing, to modernize operation and get "in sync" with the general marketplace and user population. I am sure some will never change as in probably the Caldwell program. As I was pointing out to Al earlier today, although the "Bright Nebulae" program allows for automation (read "goto" and "computer assist"), they definitely have a rule saying "no remote observatory use". David M. Douglass dmdouglass@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (secondary) david@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (main) Cell (602) 908-9092 -----Original Message----- From: az-observing-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:az-observing-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Eric Steinberg Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 4:23 PM To: az-observing@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [AZ-Observing] Re: A question and a request Hi Steve, All - Regarding the second point, I agree but would make one exception: There are a number of AL certificate programs (e.g. Messier, Caldwell, etc.) that specifically require manual acquisition of the objects. In those cases, using a goto is certainly cheating. We're not cops, but when the label fits..... Eric -----Original Message----- From: stevecoe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Reply-to: <az-observing@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: SMTP <az-observing@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [AZ-Observing] A question and a request Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 15:55:00 -0700 Howdy all; I have two things to say and I promise I am not trying to start any problems, so let's be nice. One, wasn't "az-astroimaging" started as a place to put images so that observers and imagers could keep their two activities separate? I have seen some folks putting their images in both locations and I thought that is not the idea. Two, I would like to request that we stop using the term "cheating" when something is being done that others view as an "incorrect" method of operation. People say someone is cheating if they are using electronic finding aids, if they are star hopping. Someone here referred to cheating because they used an imaging service to gather data remotely. Let's resist the temptation to call people cheaters because they are viewing or imaging the sky in a method other than yours. Clear skies; Steve Coe -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list. -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list. -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list. -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list. -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list.