atw: Re: use of the ? symbol
- From: "Reginald Hardman" <cleardoc@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "austechwriter list" <austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 10:46:25 +0200
Erica,
En cherchant les sites web francophone, j'ai touv=E9 sur
http://www.irisa.fr/euro/
"Rappel: les unit=E9s se mettent toujours apr=E8s les chiffres, comme le
recommande le syst=E8me m=E9trique international. Il faut donc =E9crire 12,=
34=80
PAS =8012,34."
ISO 1000 (SI units) specifies currency unit conventions for
international technical reports, but I have access only to a 1981 copy!
It may have changed. In the SI system, usually ALL units are placed
after the numbers.
CORRECTION
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In my last post, I gave the non-symbolic euro example as 80.45Eu. That
is incorrect. The correct useage is 80.45EUR. Sorry, my bad habits.
The custom here is to use the conventions to which the audience
(readership?)subscribe, so for a US audience the EUR symbol goes before
the numbers, which is technically incorrect. My feeling is that in a
mixed audience, the technically correct convention should be used. This
is especially so if the origin or subject of the information in the
document comes from a country which follows the technically correct
convention (eg France).
In summary, I would advise putting the Euro symbol after the numbers in
a document for a mixed audience. If this is uncomfortable (and you know
your audience better than I do), then put it in words, eg "80 million
euros".
That, of course, opens a whole new can of worms regarding whether you
use the final "s" in the plural form. You do in French, you're not
supposed to in English, but the Bank of England does. You decide, sorry
I have not found any more authoritative references.
Reg
On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 17:41:01 +1000, "Erica Ferrigno"
<EFerrigno@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> said:
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> The person who wrote the doc is in Paris but writing in English (as the=
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> million =3D3D80". My first reaction was to put the symbol before the amou=
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> per Michael's instructions).
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> I'm not trying for an english language document for an audience in fran=
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> Erica.
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> Hello Erica,
> The correct placement of the Euro symbol, in French, is AFTER the
> numbers, eg
> 80.45=3D3D80 or if you don't have the symbol, 80.45Eu.=3D3D20
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> I think this is correct for all EU countries, even those whose currency=
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> symbol prior to 2001 was before the numbers, but I am not sure about
> that.
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> On my keyboard, which is set up as US International, Standard French,
> the key combination RtAlt-5 calls up the symbol. The 5 is is above the =
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> and T, not on the numeric pad. I had to download the euro TT font in
> 2000, to make this work, but I think any O/S produced since then
> includes the font.
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> On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 16:42:51 +1000, "Erica Ferrigno"
> <EFerrigno@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> said:
> > Hi austechies,
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> > I've spent a few hours this afternoon trawling through Google results=
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> > find the standard for use of the euro (=3D3D3D80) symbol. Best I could =
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> > picture of the MS Excel menu which lets you select whether to display=
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> > symbol before or after the amount.
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> > Can anyone tell me the right way to express the following please.
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> > "...annual sales of approximately 8 million =3D3D3D80 and over..."
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> > Many thanks,
> > Erica Ferrigno
> > Technical Communicator - Communications Team
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