Chris, Can you give me "The Idiots Guide to ..." version. You lost me at the first paragraph, and later had me wondering if I was a hermaphrodite, or someone in need of gender realignment. (Maybe that would improve my technical writing?) For a moment I thought your book on I Ching was subtitled "Vague Language" rather than "The Language of the Vague". Still, your posting prompts me to ask: Were I to buy your book, would I understand it? I have a PhD from the 1980s, when precision was all the rage; so I may have trouble with your post-modernistic, gender-drenched abstractionism. Would a Bertrand-Russell-Alfred-Ayer mindset like mine get to within a cooee of your juicy continental truths? Anyway I would probably be irreversibly distracted by the sort of thinking -- symmetric, asymmetric, parasymmetric or whatever -- that has me realigning my education to accept that bosons and fermions (once considered classes of sub-atomic particles) were really statistics. But then again you probably assumed that the austechwriter audience, being masters of quantum physics, would know that you were really talking about the statistics EXHIBITED BY bosons and fermions, and not the bosons and fermions themselves ... ... which leads me to restate my earlier request that we strive, on this list, for clarity and precision in our postings, lest some madman, like me, reads more into a posting than was originally there. And I'm assuming there was something there. Analyse me, Dr Lofting. Let's leave Christine alone for a while. Drowning, not flaming. Cheers Geoffrey Marnell Principal Consultant Abelard Consulting Pty Ltd T: +61 3 9596 3456 F: +61 3 9596 3625 W: www.abelard.com.au > ;-) the truth of the matter is that typologies such as the MBTI etc DO WORK but at the level of our SPECIES nature; just as in other social species we have our 'alpha males/females', our 'workers', our 'warriors' etc but in a far more refined form than other species. WITHOUT the use of consciousness to transcend such typologies and so bring out INDIVIDUAL differences rather than specialist collective samenesses our species will fall into the 'routine' of working to type and reflect symmetric styles of thinking - there is a natural, energy-conserving, laziness present ;-) The male/female differences in PRECISION in thinking tie directly to the influence of sex hormones on brain development just prior to birth. We can in fact change such precision post birth by giving females testosterone and males oestrogen - http://www.gendercentre.org.au/oestrogen1.htm (common practice in sex change issues). The differences ARE very clear and cover point precision of testosterone vs more diffuse, field precision (pattern matching etc) of oestrogen (these then lead into competitive vs cooperative natures that can span collectives). There are also differences in memory management (oestrogen maintains/improves such - understandable in that symmetry covers the establishment of rich associative memory capabilities and so pattern matching etc). The symmetric element moves into an aspectual form of analysis, identifying things by what they are NOT, LOTS of prose/discussion and 'beating-around-the-bush' to attempt to flush out 'the point' - the issue is that symmetry lacks a sense of direction such that 'coming to the point' is difficult (where such 'point' precision is grounded in rigid hierarchy, syntax focus leading to the 'correct' result/point etc and so is rigid and not into relativities). Aspectual analysis means all points are considered/re-considered/over-considered etc etc etc - often the 'talk' is qualitative, there are no conclusions reached, but the social gathering elicited some sense of 'value' treated with equal status as any 'fact'. Symmetric thinking covers a type of statistical approach reflected in such Bose-Einstein statistics (bosons) where all elements under consideration have an EQUAL probability of expression (this then covers a focus on metaphors and their interchangability). Anti-symmetric thinking covers an approach of Dirac-Fermi statistics (fermions) where we get more 'normal' distributions. When we move to asymmetry out pops Boltzmann-Maxwell Statistical Mechanics. The above does not mean 'all males are manic sensation seekers' or 'all females are manic identity seekers', but it does introduce biases in behaviours across ALL to skew distributions and to show differences in styles of reasoning (males being more risk focused, as are SOME females, but compare ALL and the biases emerge). WE note here that a symmetric mindset will contain a set of rules/hypotheses etc about reality and make DEDUCTIONS from such (general to particular) whereas the anti-symmetric/asymmetric mindsets focus more on induction/abduction - this is creative but can also lead to 'reinventing the wheel' - abduction working to resolve such that a 'due diligence' search through existing hypotheses to see if some particular pattern etc is already described. Education and the feedback of consciousness through development and use of languages aids in resolving some of these 'firmware' coded biases but with consciousness there is also a psychic dynamic present. Thus an excess in complexity (asymmetry/anti-symmetry) can elicit a response of an increase in a focus on symmetry (dumb-down, simplification for the sake of ease in communications etc) The overall dynamics of the SPECIES will flow across establishments of different classes of socio-economic behaviours so one can 'go with the flow' (as Ms Kent seems to be doing) or break from that flow to create some different path/perspective. IOW as CONSCIOUS beings we are each in a position to 'escape' the mindless drive of species dynamics or to exploit such. (see such as "Sexing the Brain" - http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Sexing-the-Brain/Lesley-J-Rogers/e/97802311 20104 where cultural, psychic, dynamics can modify behaviours considered 'male' or 'female' etc etc etc ) Understanding these general patterns aids in interpreting local dynamics. 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