atw: Re: How to Have a Rational Discussion
- From: Michelle Hallett <michelle@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 14:48:53 +1000
Kind of explains Federal politics
Michelle
On 29/04/2011, at 11:01 AM, "Christine Kent" <cmkentau@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> ...but seriously...
>
> ...there is an issue with talking with the uneducated, I agree. They lack
> training in any kind of logic and do not even consider the possibility of
> doing research.
>
> I am on a facebook network with highly politically motivated people who are
> largely uneducated.
>
> First they seem to believe that life is about picking sides. Persona A has
> said A, person B has said B, I like person A better so person A is right.
> They follow a leader and buy the entire package sold by that leader.
>
> Second is that they also have what I call a fundamentalist mind set. Life
> to them is about opposing opposites rather than scales of grey, so if, for
> example, you argue that there is some form of environmental devastation that
> must addressed, they can only respond in terms of for or against AL Gore
> style global warming. They cannot perceive the nuances of environmental
> destruction and have reduced it to a single black and white issue, global
> warming.
>
> In dealing with these people, my mantra now is "research, research,
> research". If they say A, I now say "do your research" and give them links
> to evidence of B, C and D. They then accuse me of believing B, C or D (even
> though they are often contradictory - that is what research is about), and
> unfriend me because I am an enemy of their chosen leader and not preaching
> the gospel according to A.
>
> That's just how it is... the great dumbing down of humanity.
>
> Christine
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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>
> That fact that it is put out by atheists is a bit of a giveaway.
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Janice Gelb
> Sent: Friday, 29 April 2011 10:26 AM
> To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: atw: Re: How to Have a Rational Discussion
>
> On Apr 29, 2011 10:01AM, Christine Kent wrote:
>> Ahhh, but even some intelligent people (like leading edge physicists)
>> know there is more to the world than the 3 dimensional material plane,
>> and that other planes of existence exist and can be perceived.
>>
>> This is the kindergarten class on flatlanders
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVXV8XB-GPo&feature=fvwrel
>>
>> ...and this is part 1 of 5 of a stunning BBC documentary on universes
>> with different laws of physics.
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-nP4yD1hkk
>>
>> I would agree with you that these are appropriate rules for meetings
>> held the workplace, and "discussions" (if you can call them that)
>> conducted on Austechwriter, but they are entirely too limiting for
>> informal or personal interactions such as those conducted on FaceBook.
>> Do you really want to limit the whole of human experience to what goes
>> on in the 3 dimensional brain? I don't.
>>
>
> I don't think the flowchart is meant to apply to discussions of theoretical
> possibilities; more to frustrating discussions of fact that are not possible
> due to one side not abiding by simple guidelines that facilitate actual
> back-and-forth discussion as opposed to lectures or proselytizing.
>
> -- Janice
>
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