Dear Deb, For years now I have consistently refused to recommend this list to anyone for that precise reason and more. You can verify anytime you like by using Google to search for posts from "Steve Hudson Word Heretic", if you override the built in filters there are well over 5 figures worth of messages there to check on. You could also ask onlist, as several members have made personal requests to me to promote it and I described in clear terms why I will not. Yes, I tell the BJA's of the world where the can park their unicycles and what they can do with them. All I can say is, when under fire, the troops should always take cover and return fire. Sitting in your bunkers getting pissed while the enemy rolls in is not an option. Tech whirlers can be bad - especially any platonic discussions (which have stagnated for the last 10 years into a set of 12 standard messages) - but it does no come close to the hate that the BJA's etc of this list generate. Recently the charge against me on this list was that I was being the truculent one. I responded if you want to crap in my basket, I will throw it out straight back at you. Gain, peruse the history. I have a history of trying to provide people workable solutions. Many list posters here have a history of putting people down. To revise ad nausibus: * This list gets recc. world-wide because it covers many topics others don't dare to brave Eg, Unis in France asking my advice on whether to advisetheir students to follow the contents * This list is described by many as abusive Eg, most foreigners who join the list: yanks, poms etc. Some content judged by these people as abusive isn't, as they don't understand the Aussie psyche. Eg, Mickey taking offence at me saying "I have said before I tried the common anti-spyware stuff and it failed miserably" - I was being terse - not unfair. A fair % is, as pointed out by yourself, very abusive. Eg "What the hell do you think you are trying to do? Buy a real product... MS sucks" * This list has numerous posters whose complete content is worth either nothing, or actually impedes your progress Eg BJA, Brian Clarke. These people offer their opinion without any justification or support, abuse people who disagree with them, and find red herrings in every argument. BJA's last post agreed with me - please find ANYTHING in it that actually contributed something to the argument rather than rehashing what was already said. In my books, this is an attempt at grandstanding through confabulation. When asked a specific question to which they proclaim to know the answer, they hold their silence. In other words, they are here to put people down without contributing anything to the existing body of knowledge. Now I have been involved with pure reasearch for so many years that I find this attitude completely disgusting, and I will never publicly admit to being a member of this list. At best, I describe myself as someone with too may mates on this list to not subscribe to it despite my better judgement. ______________________________________________ Now, all that having been said, let us look at the other side of the argument. Indeed, it is this very facet of my posts that I find exceedingly frustrating with others posts: there is no counter argument. Everything has pros and cons. When a post speaks of pros only - you know you need to research the cons yaself. * Aussies have a 'unhealthy' (extremely large) representation at technical levels across scope of business. Yes, that's right - you need an expert on something - chances are 1/2 of them planet-wide are Aussies. A % of this is expressed through this very list. * This is an unmoderated list and we all get what we deserve. Complaining about the status quo aint gunna do shit because the BJA's and Clarke's of the world are still free to post their denigrations whenever they feel like it with no judicary. You can't stop em, so stop whinging - they aint listening and never will be :-) (So why this email Steve? :-) "Coz I aint happy bout it and holding my silence will achieve less than my noise will.") Beg these DH's all you like, tomorrow they will still post their offensive crap whenever they feel like it. What can u do about it? Not much. So why stress? Email filters are a wonderful device. You can easily filter Bja and Clarke's posts to improve your S2N (signal to noise) ratio. * People do get assistance with their required solution set despite these circumstances. * This list has numerous contributors whose posts it is always a delight to read, even if the factual content is somewhat lacking. Of course, the king of this is Mickey :-) Mickey - you ARE full of **** and we all love you for it :-) You regularly lapse into proper help - but we forgive these mild transgressions :-) _____________________________________________ For some reason, this list has enormous amounts of jealousy present. Some of this is sheer hubris. Some of it is a screwed-up representation of the tall poppy syndrome : cut down everyone else whilst I fertilise myself. Of course, we all know that manure makes the best fertiliser and so often these sort of posts contain little but well-decomposed manure. I have a much 'rawer' and thus 'precise' description of this, but I hesitate at using it in such polite company. Yes, I get pissed off at this list and regularly let fly. As I said many times before (Yes, I am talking about you BJA - person for whom See You Next Tuesday is an understatement - I hope you rot in hell) - I have NEVER seen a list where one list member does their damnedest to get another list member sacked by directly ringing their place of employment and causing trouble. Who paid for that phone call Bruce Wanker? Oh - your boss - what a surprise. You can't drop dead soon enough for my satisfaction. Why? Oh my god - I try to help people. Quick - shoot me now. Maybe I should chuck a Bruce and forward the five billion and six complaints against him (posted from his employer's account natch) to his employer and demand my pound of flesh closest to the heart. Alas, I cannot live life like that - I am multi-cellular. It's a bit unfair like that: The BJA's of the world screw with you, and you don't screw back. Ah well, Christianity... Fortunately, the last 5 or so years Bruce has been unable to replicate this stunt. Mainly because I have a) refused to subscribe to this list from my place of work because of i) no wish for BJA wankers to repeat themselves re the sacking ATTEMPT (yes, you failed you cockroach didn't you) and ii) I don't get paid to help you guys and b) I have been self-employed for most of this period. Yeah Bruce "outa work" - now - can anyone else here say that the US government is a major client of theirs? No, not really. I am quite happy being "out of work" if that's the case! Let alone if you want me to reel off the uni's that teach my stuff and that I have developed courseware for on request... I really wish it was elsewise - I keep praying for it to be so, but it aint. I really feel that a large number of posters are only here for self-aggrandisement at the expense of others and I am deeply concerned about this attitude. Yet - this is a charge oft brought against me. All I can say: my posts offer solutions. The solution offered here is moderation. No-one is prepared to commit to this. What do we do? I shall leave my personal speculation regarding getting medieval on their ass with a large lump of sharpened metal for the crows. Speaking of which - if anyone needs arms or armour made... I have many talents :-) Mail, plate, cuirass, axes, swords, poinards, helms, gauntlets (yech!) or codpieces ... Steve Hudson Word Heretic, Sydney, Australia Tricky stuff with Word or words for you. www.wordheretic.com ABN: 86 453 419 554 "Qualified Good Tech Writer Dude" Free Association of Words Without prejudice -----Original Message----- From: Deborah Cross Why is it that whenever someone has trouble posting to the list we get a = whole series of smart comments? =20 Not a really friendly, welcoming atmosphere is it? I am going to assume that some helpful people have responded to Stuart = off list with assistance. I can't remember the exact way to fix it, but it has something to do = with your email sending out in a format freelists doesn't understand. = You need to change to Format|Encoding|Western European (ISO)=20 make sure UTF8 Compliant is not selected. You want to be sending to the list as plain text, not Microsoft based or = rich text or HTML. Some people have had trouble changing their settings in a corporate = environment and had to ask for help from their IT support staff. ************************************************** To post a message to austechwriter, send the message to austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe to austechwriter, send a message to austechwriter-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with "subscribe" in the Subject field. To unsubscribe, send a message to austechwriter-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe" in the Subject field. 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