I know some of you are programmers and actually understand what's involved in producing code of such complexity as Microsoft has done. And such people will understand the concepts of 'reuse' and 'economics'. I wonder whether some of us are entertaining expectations that we don't hold for far more expensive products. Up till about 5 years ago, we all expected new motor vehicles to have bugs that would be ironed out during warranty - we did not expect perfection. When I lived in the UK, we expected motor vehicles to have bugs for the whole of the warranty period and beyond - but rust got the vehicle before it became a millstone around the manufacturer's neck. Then along came Volvo offering almost a lifetime of rust warranty - that got right up the Brits' noses. Unfortunately, Volvos didn't get a toe-hold in France because of the cost of fuel - there, the tin-plate on tin-plate that passed for French engineering won on the grounds of fuel economy. I wonder how the Airbus will last compared with the engineering of Boeing. Once again, short-term economics [fuel costs] seems to have ruled - Airbus has no record of engineering performance, of which I am aware. Please disabuse me! I digress. Now, back to programs. Why don't we recognise that Microsoft does listen to customers' plaints as it is from these that its products have grown in breadth of coverage and competence - because of that responsiveness. The Microsoft organisation uses a project model that was first developed in General Motors when Alfred P Sloan was in charge; there, no part of a vehicle was produced in-house unless it met stringent competition from similar, competent, outside producers . What Microsoft does is to fund those competitors internally. The fact that it continues to support product originally marketed seven years ago is remarkable in today's economic rationalistic climate. The fact that later products can work with the earlier products is also quite remarkable - only Jaguar among the motor vehicle manufacturers reused engine and power train components for more than three generations of vehicles. I believe that Kalashnikov did a similar thing with their AK-series of personnel suppressors. What I'm suggesting is that we set our technical and economic expectations to 'real', instead of 'perfect'. Co-operate with the manufacturer, and provide constructive criticism - instead of this cheap carping. Then, we'ld all benefit. If you want a more highly engineered product, buy yourself a Rolls-Royce instead of trying to fit 17 people into a Morris Mini Minor. Brian. BJA said: Personally I find it ironic that Microsoft (MS) now want to profit by patching up the holes in their own software. ************************************************** To post a message to austechwriter, send the message to austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe to austechwriter, send a message to austechwriter-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with "subscribe" in the Subject field. To unsubscribe, send a message to austechwriter-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe" in the Subject field. To search the austechwriter archives, go to www.freelists.org/archives/austechwriter To contact the list administrator, send a message to austechwriter-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx **************************************************