James, Why are you quoting an extremely old American text at us? We may be the sherrif but we're not the total sycophant, yet. Perhaps you can explain how a rule 'fails in application'. A rule can be obeyed or ignored - I cannot see how any rule itself can fail. Just because you drive through a red light, does this mean that the rule to obey traffic lights has failed? No, it means you have failed. I'm not sure that the King James - or any version - of any text is a source of expertise for written English language as required nowadays. Notwithstanding your unsupported disbelief 'that the translators were not masters of the English language', it is also necessary to recall that the original Hebrew and Greek stories in that book were written in a story- telling, often sing-song fashion for mostly illiterate folk. Even today, many storytellers do not conform to usual rules of written grammar. The need to have short sentences goes against the grain for most storytellers. Another James - Joyce - made a total mockery of rules of grammar with his storytelling style - many 'and's and few fullstops. Consequently, an 'And' may appear as the beginning of a sentence when it was probably a printer's attempt to impose some numbered order. Where one puts a fullstop when attempting to corral the many feats of bedroom athleticism begat in Ezekiel, Solomon and Kings is surely arbitrary. Perhaps your so-labelled pedants of yore were attempting to say "Hey, our audience is now quite a bit more literate - we've moved on from children's story time. Let's get a bit of quality in here." And so should we. Brian. ************************************************** To post a message to austechwriter, send the message to austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe to austechwriter, send a message to austechwriter-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with "subscribe" in the Subject field. To unsubscribe, send a message to austechwriter-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe" in the Subject field. To search the austechwriter archives, go to www.freelists.org/archives/austechwriter To contact the list administrator, send a message to austechwriter-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx **************************************************