Well they have actually improved a little over the years, but they could still improve it more. Although I still hope for the day when html5 makes flash and those captchas become extinct. On Aug 13, 2014, at 8:44 PM, Josh <lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Thanks for this information. I had to wait till Amanda got home to click the > next button and then the finish button. They are a pain on the windows side > of things as well, but I believe they are coming out with some self > installers. > > From: audio-pals-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:audio-pals-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thomas McMahan > Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 7:39 PM > To: audio-pals@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [audio-pals] Re: Self Teaching on the iMac > > Okay if you have an app that says not responding, or doesn’t seem to be, do > command option escape. That brings up othintication window. If you can’t > find it you may have to go into the window chooser to find the othintication > window that is VO keys f2 twice, the f2 that is while holding down the VO > keys. Interact in the table in othintication, find the app, then back out. > You don’t have to click the app, then click force quit. A dialog will come > up tell it to force quit again and it will force it. That can also relaunch > finder for you too. Strangely enough sometimes you may have to do it. > > As for flash installers and updates, those are a pain. Just use your tab key > to find the function you want it to do, then try either your return key or > spacebar. Using the VO spacebar doesn’t seem to work. Same with stuff > involving Java both of those are problematic. They are both also in > accessibility of your system preferences. Why they are there I don’t know, > but they have been since Mavericks came out. > > In fact with Java to check i think it opens up the Java window and you then > have to do VO m to see the apple menu then you have it check for updates. > Even if you set these things to automatically update, they don’t always do > it, or it might be a day later than when it comes out, although since you > live in the Eastern time zone, maybe not. A buddy of mine in Ohio gets his > updates ahead of me over 90% of the time. Sometimes mine are almost a day > later if I just wait for them. So when he tells me of an update then I go > check sometimes they are available and sometimes they aren’t. > > On Aug 13, 2014, at 1:48 PM, Josh <lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > I found the one that shuts down the computer quickly by accident. I had the > help keys on going through those keys trying to figure everything out. I > thought maybe the mute key had been activated, then I realized the computer > had been shut down. I am in the process of trying to install Adobe Flash > Player, but it doesn’t seem to be taking. At one time I had about three flash > player installers on the computer *LOL*. Then I got it narrowed down to one. > However, when I go to the html window I make my selection and then I click > next and nothing seems to be happening. I could have kicked myself one time. > I waited and waited, I hit the next button a few times without any success. > So, after a while I decide to shut down the window and it quits but not > before telling me that Adobe was 90% installed. I have found the force shut > down keys to if a program is not responding. > > From: audio-pals-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:audio-pals-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thomas McMahan > Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 12:38 PM > To: audio-pals@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [audio-pals] Re: Self Teaching on the iMac > > Command q. Command w closes windows sometimes, command q the app, don’t need > vo keys for everything there are key commands universal to mac as well. > Control option command eject for example is a fast way to power off your > machine. Handy if a storm is coming up fast. I know those don’t happen > often where you live, but lightning where you live can reach fast. That > avoids the dialogs etc. If your phone is hooked on the machine at same time > you will hear it blip as it switches over to battery power and that is a good > confirmation that the machine is off, besides the lack of VO and the click on > your volume controls of course. > > On Aug 13, 2014, at 7:41 AM, Josh <lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > Hey Tom, > I know that pressing VO keys and I believe shift with the letter q or just > VO keys and the q key shuts down the programs, but it shuts down everything > including voiceover. Is there a way to close out programs without shutting > down voiceover?