[audio-pals] Re: New member from the north of Scotland
- From: Thomas McMahan <shadowmonstrosity@xxxxxxx>
- To: audio-pals@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2015 09:28:57 -0500
If you have people dependent, than those who they depend upon are always going
to have a job. So yes it is meant to create a dependent class because certain
people want to always point out the problems, but they don’t actually want to
solve them. They are called politicians, and typically the ones who actually
don’t want to solve problems are on the left because if the problem never
actually goes away they always have power, thus they make a career out of
politics. Of course people on the right make careers out of politics to, but
they have a different method.
> On Mar 7, 2015, at 8:50 PM, Josh <lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Okay, I will give you my stance on this debate. No, it is not set up in a way
> that is beneficial. In fact I feel like as much as they scream and holler it
> is temporary, Welfare creates a dependency. A person cannot afford to take a
> raise of any kind for fear of losing benefits that they have come to depend
> on. Bethann you did not necessarily depend on the Welfare, but as little as
> 50 cents got a lot of benefits cut from you, that isn’t right. I have
> listened to documentaries of people passing up good paying jobs because in
> order to take the job they would be worse off than when they were on Welfare
> due to the fact that wages are better, but not enough to replace and improve
> the position that they were in. One lady in the documentary referred to this
> as hustling backwards, she takes a raise, but her benefits are cut and so it
> is like taking two steps backwards. So, my answer when the professor asked if
> Welfare was set up in a good way was no, it creates a dependency. So, she
> then went on to ask how to fix this problem. I had an answer for this as
> well. I told her that I believe that raising the minimum wage would help. I
> originally took the stance that raising the min wage would result in
> inflation, but the research does not support this. However, a guy that I have
> kind of challenged on a couple of things sits behind me spoke up with the
> common misconception “raising the min. wage will cause inflation”. Being the
> big mouth that I am I spoke up and said that he is incorrect and that the
> research does not support this notion. So, he then challenged me saying that
> corporate is not going to take a cut, which is probably true, but they can
> afford to take the cut. If they want to make money and they are forced to
> raise min. wage then one of two things will occur they will close up shop or
> they will pay the higher min. wage. If they raise their price too high then
> they are going to have to close up shop anyways. So, they have a vested
> interest in keeping the price where the consumer can afford it while
> complying with the law. He said this about corporate and all I had time to
> say was corporate can afford to give people a few more dollars an hour. When
> I said this a chuckle or two came from the other side of the room. Then one
> guy took the floor and commented on a grocery store named Kroger. He
> supported what I was saying with the fact Kroger just dida 30 million dollar
> renovation to their store to paint some pictures on the wall and a couple of
> other things. How many people’s min. wage could have been raised from this?
> Corporate America definitely has the money. I feel that to really make it
> work regulations are going to have to be put in place to cap at the top.
> Still allow them to make an astronomical amount of cash, but cap it off at
> the top so that inflation would cause them to go over the cap and then hit
> the regulations on the bottom requiring a higher min. wage. So, probably more
> than anyone wanted to know, but basically my argument was welfare creates a
> dependency and corporate America can afford to raise the minimum wage despite
> what they may say.
>
> From: audio-pals-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> <mailto:audio-pals-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of BethAnn LaPresta
> (Redacted sender "bela28_02@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:bela28_02@xxxxxxxxx>" for DMARC)
> Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2015 4:42 PM
> To: audio-pals@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:audio-pals@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [audio-pals] Re: New member from the north of Scotland
>
> I was on welfare for a time in the early 90's while trying to find a job and
> raise 2 children with no child support at that time. When President Clinton
> kicked a lot of people off welfare in 1993 (I think), it was hard, but the
> best thing that ever happened to us. It is useful for a short period of
> time, but detrimental to both your psychological health and becomes a trap
> for those of us who were the working poor and wanted to be self-sufficient.
> I took a 50 cent an hour raise (or $80 a month increase) and my children lost
> their health insurance through the state and we then lost the $80 a month in
> food stamps. Again, it was scary at first, but in the long run, it was the
> BEST thing that ever happened.
>
> The government gives nothing for free, there is always a cost, whether it's
> evident right then or not.
>
> So, no I do not believe our current welfare system is good, especially not
> now that so many more Americans are on food stamps and subsidized this, that
> and the other.
>
> From: Josh <lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
> To: audio-pals@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:audio-pals@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2015 1:33 PM
> Subject: [audio-pals] Re: New member from the north of Scotland
>
> Now, is it a good choice to be lumped into the category with all of the other
> prejudice people in this country?
>
> Talking about prejudices it seems like a good time to bring up a real
> question. Yesterday in class we were discussing whether crime was a race
> based issue or as a result of something else. Well during the discussion
> Welfare got brought up. The question was asked do you think Welfare is a good
> system the way it is currently set up. Regardless of your answer you had to
> explain your reasoning. So, is Welfare a good set up the way it is currently
> set up. If you are in another country that has some sort of government
> assistance please feel free to answer. And Explain why you feel the way you
> do. I did answer this question and it turned into a slight debate the
> instructor let continue between me and another student at first and then
> other classmates started joining in before she stopped the conversation. Once
> I hear from you all I will tell you my stance on it and why I feel the way I
> do.
>
>
>
> From: audio-pals-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> [mailto:audio-pals-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:audio-pals-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of BethAnn LaPresta
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> Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2015 2:35 PM
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> Subject: [audio-pals] Re: New member from the north of Scotland
>
> Correct!
>
> From: Josh <lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
> To: audio-pals@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:audio-pals@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 1:16 PM
> Subject: [audio-pals] Re: New member from the north of Scotland
>
> You may think twice when you see this beauty of a shoe. By the way Cinderella
> wore apre-worn shoe, a shoe that several people tried on before getting to
> her *LOL*. So, just another sign of the discrimination being exhibited here
> *LOL*. It was good enough for a princess, but not Betharoni the Unccured
> Pepperoni *LOL*.
>
>
> From: audio-pals-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 3:12 PM
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> Subject: [audio-pals] Re: New member from the north of Scotland
>
> Yeah...I figured as much. No problem, I don't do pre-worn shoes.
>
> From: Thomas McMahan <thomas.mcmahan@xxxxxxx <mailto:thomas.mcmahan@xxxxxxx>>
> To: audio-pals@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:audio-pals@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 11:16 AM
> Subject: [audio-pals] Re: New member from the north of Scotland
>
> Shhh, don’t tell Josh, but it might just be easier to just throw the shoe
> away, but what ever you do, don’t wear it. Some of those places he had
> people trying it on are pretty bad places.
>
>> On Mar 6, 2015, at 10:26 AM, BethAnn LaPresta (Redacted sender
>> "bela28_02@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:bela28_02@xxxxxxxxx>" for DMARC)
>> <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>
>> Or it will cost multi-millions to eradicate the fungus!
>>
>> From: Josh <lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
>> To: audio-pals@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:audio-pals@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2015 5:15 PM
>> Subject: [audio-pals] Re: New member from the north of Scotland
>>
>> Let me just say that this shoe I plan on selling you just may be worth
>> millions *LOL*. It is quite possible that a very famous person has tried
>> this shoe on and therefore it is now a multi-million dollar shoe *LOL*.
>>
>>
>> From: audio-pals-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:audio-pals-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> [mailto:audio-pals-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:audio-pals-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of BethAnn LaPresta
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>> DMARC)
>> Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2015 6:05 PM
>> To: audio-pals@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:audio-pals@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [audio-pals] Re: New member from the north of Scotland
>>
>> Oh boy...can hardly wait for this one!
>>
>> From: Josh <lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
>> To: audio-pals@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:audio-pals@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2015 1:08 PM
>> Subject: [audio-pals] Re: New member from the north of Scotland
>>
>> Guess what, I have a great deal for you Bethann, let me know when I have
>> your undivided attention as I pitch this once in a lifetime opportunity
>> *LOL*.
>>
>>
>> From: audio-pals-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:audio-pals-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> [mailto:audio-pals-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:audio-pals-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of BethAnn LaPresta
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>> DMARC)
>> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 11:33 PM
>> To: audio-pals@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:audio-pals@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [audio-pals] Re: New member from the north of Scotland
>>
>> Why am I being dragged into a scary sounding fungal infected shoe
>> conversation??
>>
>> From: Thomas McMahan <thomas.mcmahan@xxxxxxx <mailto:thomas.mcmahan@xxxxxxx>>
>> To: audio-pals@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:audio-pals@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 7:24 PM
>> Subject: [audio-pals] Re: New member from the north of Scotland
>>
>> Actually I was referring to Betharoni, but hey, if the shoe fits. But I
>> will warn you, Josh was passing that shoe all around Knoxville, so there’s
>> been a lot of feet try it on, so be careful that you don’t get a fongus
>> trying it on *lol*.
>>
>> Maybe best to just hand it back over to Josh and not try it on.
>>
>> > On Mar 2, 2015, at 9:17 PM, Heather H <copperlee73@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:copperlee73@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Wittle ole me an instigator? Why Tom, whatever would cause you to say
>> > such a cruel and mean thing? Hey, is cruel and mean the same thing?
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> >> On Mar 2, 2015, at 8:19 PM, Thomas McMahan <shadowmonstrosity@xxxxxxx
>> >> <mailto:shadowmonstrosity@xxxxxxx>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Or is she an instigator?
>> >>
>> >>> On Mar 2, 2015, at 2:10 PM, Heather H <copperlee73@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >>> <mailto:copperlee73@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi Jim,
>> >>>
>> >>> Welcome to our little strange group! I'm Heather and I live in Ohio. I
>> >>> am in my early 40's. I also love music. I love country music and 80's
>> >>> music. I also love Southern Gospel music.
>> >>>
>> >>> Like Tom said things can get pretty strange around here but it mostly
>> >>> becuase of a few people like Tom and Josh. You'll hear from Josh soon.
>> >>> He is our resident instigator!
>> >>>
>> >>> My sister BethAnn is also a member.
>> >>>
>> >>> Hope you enjoy your time with us.
>> >>>
>> >>> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Mar 2, 2015, at 2:00 PM, Jim McAuslan <jimmcauslan1@xxxxxxxxx
>> >>>> <mailto:jimmcauslan1@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hi there list,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I stumbled on this list just last night as I was browsing through the
>> >>>> freelists web site. As the subject line suggest I live in the north of
>> >>>> Scotland in a very small village which is stuck on the end of a sand
>> >>>> bar that sticks out into the Moray Firth. The village is called
>> >>>> Findhorn and its just about 30 miles n/e of Inverness.
>> >>>> About me. I'm in my late 50s and live alone and have always worked in
>> >>>> the arts and media. I worked for a time with the BBC in Aberdeen and
>> >>>> Inverness as a researcher for programmes and features. I have also
>> >>>> worked in arts development in the Highlands which allowed me to travel
>> >>>> to really isolated parts of the country especially in the western isles.
>> >>>> I'm also a bit of a music nut and I write and record my own songs, at
>> >>>> demo level, and I'm trying to get songs published this year.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I think that's enough for now but if anyone would like to know more
>> >>>> then I'm here.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> Jim McAuslan from sunny Findhorn
>> >>>> Minds are like parachutes
>> >>>> They work best when open
>> >>>>
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