I do think that she should keep her mouth shut especially since she doesn't even consider us family. So, that would mean that her husband needs to deal with his kid. From: audio-pals-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:audio-pals-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Josh Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 2:43 PM To: audio-pals@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [audio-pals] Re: Mood Yes, we do have to follow what the courts say. They believe that just because the court is out of it now that everything is back to normal. I told Amanda the next time they invite him to spend the night we will put a stop to that and tell them that we will be over about so and so time to stay the night with them, all of us *LOL*. He believes that because his ex boss knows everyone here that he can say and do whatever he wants without any reprocussions. Amanda claims that I know everyone here too. It is true that I know a lot of people here of course I grew up here so by doing that you get to know people. I told Amanda that before we ever think about going over there again, we should have dinner with them out at a restaurant that way we are all on neutral ground. More than likely they will decline, but nonetheless we wil have extended an invite for them to see their grandchild (we have never denied them the opportunity nor the ability to speak with him). From: audio-pals-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:audio-pals-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thomas McMahan Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 11:05 PM To: audio-pals@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [audio-pals] Re: Mood Yes we have some of the same thing going on up here, sometimes we are family especially if someone needs financial help, but within a week we aren't family. Then the last time which I wouldn't help got a nasty e-mail saying how we aren't family anymore etc. Then one day several months later got a phone call here and as the lecture about us not being family started and that the person said they didn't want any contact with us, I picked up and said, "then why are you calling? Good bye." Haven't heard anything anymore. Probably because the person was called on it. Wants no communication, but is calling? Sounds like harassment to me. Well a bunch of messages are saved on the machine from over the past year, and some e-mails too. Yep so I know a little of what you're going through. You have to follow what the court says, they can not like it all they want, but you are still bound by what the judge says. What they are doing puts that in jeparty. One parent being a step too if I remember the e-mail right, well, that parent should consider taking a perfect opportunity to shut up. But obviously their are some definite limits with that person, and that same person apparently doesn't know her limitations, and even Clint Eastwood knows "a man's gotta know his limitations." In this case a woman. I think you all know perhaps why other people aren't letting their kids stay there too now. I don't think you all are the first to experience this, but you all are the current recipients. I am also guessing that Amanda remaining calm and just being factual probably drives them nuts. Good for here, the more she can do just exactly that the better. Being calm and factual that is. On Oct 14, 2014, at 9:45 PM, Josh <lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Hi Heaver the Cleaver and Bethie the Pepperoni. Dictate what we do with Little Man. We have constantly told them what is topics that are to be avoided, not necessarily by our rules, but by the court rules. We have had our authority undermined on numerous occasions, we have been belittled, berated, insulted, made to feel like we have to explain ever move we make. The fil is asailor mouth no matter who is around. The mil asked if he could spend the night on Saturday. We told them he had lost that privilege due to behavior problems at school. This is not only for them, but my parents, and his great grandmother which is there and steps in whenever Amanda is not able to take him to appointments. We have not put him on total shut down and we plan to take him to the circus on Saturday. However, spending the night is a privilege and a privilege that only comes when you know that you can be trusted to act right and us having to schedule a special parent/teacher conference is not showing that. After Amanda sent that message that he would have to earn the privilege back the mil said you will speak to your father tomorrow. Amanda said that sounded confrontational through text. We never said that they cannot see him or that we could not bring him over to visit. So, the mil responds with oh so you can take him to the circus, but not let him spend the night? Trying to have dinner with Little Man and me her father starts blowing up her cell, he then calls my cell and on both phones leaves messages berating and belittling. We were told how we are not making the right decisions expletives and then the f bomb with a you at the end of the messages on both of our phones. Come to find out I am a chicken s*** *LOL*. Well, after all this and we get Little Man in bed Amanda sent a text laying it all out on the table and letting them know htat they may want to do some self examining before they think they are going to disrupt our family like that. They threw stuff up in Amanda's face that wasn't even relevant, things that parents are suppose to do for their kids. Amanda was polite, but factural in her response and her response seems like it would be pretty damaging when it comes to visits with Little Man since it talks about excessive alcohol and how he says he wouldn't hurt anyone, but she wasn't exactly feeling all giddy inside.on their end. We were told today, not in regards to this, but in regards to other issues that our word when talking about him is the law. We were told this by our social worker since the case is now closed. Amanda went on to tell them in the e-mail that we do not have to justify ourselves or our decisions to anyone nor will we unless required. We never received a response, probably because Amanda brought up an issue that happened a few years ago that we were just biting our tongues on with the mil drawing the line in the sand of who is family and who is not family. The mil is actually a step parent. Her father passed a way a few years ago and we were there to pay our respects, we started t go in and we were told by the step parent that we could not go in because the family was in their grieving, pretty clear line if you ask me. We aren't family when it is convenient and not family when convenient. We either are family or we are not family. So, that was brought out in the text message and after the extremely long text message was sent to the mil's phone, we also sent it to the fil's e-mail so that way the mil couldn't just erase it and hide it from her husband. If they re going to throw punches then we will throw, but it isn't going to be pretty. They haven't responded anymore. I imagine that it is still going on, just behind the scenes at this point. That is ok though because we have not slandered or defamed in anyway only told the facts. It is a mess, they didn't step up and try for custody because they say it would be the end of their marriage. They have other grandkids, but only this one are they trying so hard to get to spend the night and that in itself concerns me as to what they are planning because they have never respected the fact that the courts have clearly said that the mother is not a topic of conversation, until it is handled in therapy. I have since blocked my fil from calling my phones because according to him "I am not in my right mind". Self examining, but and maybe we can get to the bottom of who is not in their right mind. Oh well, family is family and if it is meant to be worked out then it will work out in time, otherwise they will miss out. From: <mailto:audio-pals-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> audio-pals-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [ <mailto:audio-pals-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> mailto:audio-pals-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Heather H Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 11:22 PM To: <mailto:audio-pals@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> audio-pals@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [audio-pals] Re: Mood Dictate what? Hi from Bethie and I. We're sitting together and she is playing on my computer and I'm playing games on my phone...ah, family time!!! lol Sent from my iPhone On Oct 13, 2014, at 10:18 PM, "Josh" < <mailto:lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx> lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Grrrr! Angry! In-laws trying to dictate.