at the end of the day he made choices and took actions which lead to
his death and that's really all that needs to be said.
Ray T. Mahorney
WA4WGA
*From:*audio-pals-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:audio-pals-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Stacey
*Sent:* Monday, December 15, 2014 16:33
*To:* audio-pals@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [audio-pals] Re: Ghost Town
Exactly. If he had just put his hands up in the first place, we
wouldn't have this up roar. But he chose to go for the officer's gun,
so therefore he had to suffer the consequences.
On 12/15/2014 7:21 AM, Josh wrote:
I agree, I like what the protestors have to say and if they had
started protesting prior to Michael Brown’s death he may have
still been a live today. There theme of their whole protest around
here are “Hands Up, Don’t Shoot”. If Michael Brown had put his
hands up then Ferguson wouldn’t be going through everything they
are going through right now. There is an old saying around here
that goes something like this “If you mess with the bull, you are
going to get his horns”.
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<mailto:audio-pals-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
[mailto:audio-pals-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Stacey
*Sent:* Saturday, December 13, 2014 11:35 PM
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*Subject:* [audio-pals] Re: Ghost Town
Personally, I think that Michael Brown was in the wrong. The
police officer was defending himself. Why can't some people get
that through their heads? Is fighting and protesting really gonna
solve anything?
On 12/13/2014 10:10 PM, Thomas McMahan wrote:
I remember when Lou Henson left Illinois or retired out some
of them were hoping that the Illini would hire Bruce Pearl on,
well they didn’t glad they didn’t. They were already in
trouble, he would have probably gotten them in more trouble.
On Dec 13, 2014, at 8:33 PM, Josh <lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Oh yeah the NCAA has to be who you know. Take a look at
Lane Kieffan, he leaves and who suffers. I belive the same
was true with Bruce Pearl and the basketball program. Even
after Bruce was penalized from coaching, I think UT
suffered penalties. Of course there are going to be some
reprocussions on the program just because the coach is
connected, but in a way I think our teams suffered more
than the coaches. Probably just a biased opinion, but ya know.
Penn State incident is a pathetic joke. There is no way
that it could have went on that long and the situations
continued without someone speaking up about it.
The whole concept of innocent until proven guilty does not
apply anymore. The concept is now guilty until you prove
yourself innocent. Even if the Criminal Justice System
sees you as innocent until proven guilty, the rest of the
public are ready to hang you before they even hear the
evidence. A clear example of this occurred the other day
in class. After the Grand Jury came back with a not guilty
verdict in Ferguson my professor asked the classs what
they thought about the incident. The responses were well
they knew if they found him not guilty they were going to
have a riot, they should have just found him guilty to
keep the rioting from occurring, he was wrong for shooting
Michael Brown, etc. However, not one person made a comment
regarding the evidence in the case. If you do not follow
the directions of the police expect to be met with
reprocussions. If you try to get the officers gun expect
to get shot because I can guarantee that if all these
sideline judges were put in this same situation they would
want to go home to their family as well and not sit idly
by and let some random citizen adolescent or adult take
their gun to shoot them with it. It is insane the autopsy
was done, and then if I am not mistaken Obuma was not
satisfied with the results so he ordered another autopsy,
and I think there were a few more autopsies done before
they moved forward. How can you convict a person that was
engaging in self defense?
*From:*audio-pals-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:audio-pals-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>[mailto:audio-pals-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]*On
Behalf Of*Thomas McMahan
*Sent:*Saturday, December 13, 2014 3:55 PM
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*Subject:*[audio-pals] Re: Ghost Town
Unfortunately it sounds like in some of
On the sports media down there they are already
convicted. Sounds like a convoluted case to me, but
I’m sure a lot of them are anyway.
Then the NCAA will probably want to threaten UT and the
whole 9 yards, yet Pen State gets off pretty easy.
There’s still a lot of idiots around there that think
that school is blameless and inocent with what went on
there. Maybe UT should have set up in a much more
isolated spot like Pen State did. Of course I’m being a
smart ass about that, but that is partially how Pen State
has gotten away with a lot more for much longer. A
definite little theefdom there. Meanwhile schools like
OSU get nailed for a lot less and get threatened with the
chop. Makes Illinois’s recruiting violation back in the
early 90s look like chump change too, yet they were
threatened with full shut down of all sports activity. I
guess it’s who you know in the NCAA. Which seems to me to
be as clean as the driven slush. I guess in the whole UT
situation it was the school that stepped in and sat them
down, but don’t know all of the details of the whole deal.
Guess we’ll hear something though if they decide to
pursue a case on them.
Dec 13, 2014, at 7:54 AM, Josh <lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Very true. Right now UT is in the hot seat regarding rape
allegations against two of the football players. I just
read today that one of the girl’s boyfriends is on the
football team as well. I read on that the boyfriend caught
her, and the girl is on the rowing team. So, there are
more elements to the story, but KPD announced last night
that there investigation was complete and being sent to
the D.A.’s office to see if charges will be pursued. It is
a tragic situation either way because if they are guilty
then they have not only ruined their careers, but also
ruined the victims lives. If they are not guilty, then I
would say there will not be a decision until after the
bowl game which will prevent them from playing in the
game. Not too mention that if they are found not guilty
there will still be people holding it against them. So,
either way it is a major black mark on these players.
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<mailto:audio-pals-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>[mailto:audio-pals-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]*On
Behalf Of*Thomas McMahan
*Sent:*Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:58 PM
*To:*audio-pals@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:audio-pals@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Subject:*[audio-pals] Re: Ghost Town
But a QB who knows how to tuck and run is often not
noticed until he’s gotten 10 yards down the field if he
can pull off the fake. If they then concentrate to much
attention looking for him to run then he then is able to
either use a running back or tail back or pass. Thats why
option offense is harder to defend. You have to have a QB
that can take some punishment though, no frail guys as QB,
or guys who can’t work outside of a pocket of protection.
For those it’s a disaster for them to try to run the ball
themselves. Does though is in pretty good shape
physically. He’s taken sacks pretty well already this
year too. There have been a few reckless plays, but
learning from them will cure those. But that whole
offense well really the whole team is having to learn
because there’s so many freshman on that team this year.
They are already coming together as a unit pretty good,
could be quite interesting even in a couple of years, let
alone 3 years from now.
On Dec 10, 2014, at 8:44 PM, Josh
<lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
wrote:
I would say the QB also then becomes a target for the
rest of the teams to take out. So, he needs to be
careful or he will be a true red shirt.
*From:*audio-pals-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:audio-pals-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>[mailto:audio-pals-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]*On
Behalf Of*Thomas McMahan
*Sent:*Tuesday, December 9, 2014 3:50 PM
*To:*audio-pals@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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*Subject:*[audio-pals] Re: Ghost Town
He did play in the Bamma game, but he wasn’t the
starter I don’t think. I think they would have at
least taken Florida though, and maybe Georgia, and
that would have changed things a lot for U T. Dobs
fits in to the type of offense that Butch Jones likes
to run which of course is an option heavy offense. No
problem with that, because your QB becomes a direct
offensive weapon at that point. It is either going to
work or not. There isn’t a middle ground, usually it
works though.
On Dec 9, 2014, at 2:29 PM, Josh
<lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
It does sound like interesting things are
happening. I have a feeling that if Josh Dobbs was
in at the first of the year the florida game and
the Georgia game would have looked much different.
I cannot remember if Dobbs played during the
Alabama game or not, but I know all their games
were close calls this past season.
*From:*audio-pals-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:audio-pals-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>[mailto:audio-pals-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]*On
Behalf Of*Thomas McMahan
*Sent:*Tuesday, December 9, 2014 11:43 AM
*To:*audio-pals@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:audio-pals@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Subject:*[audio-pals] Re: Ghost Town
Even more surprising is that Illinois managed to
get in also. Won just enough games in Big 10 this
year. It’s been a long time.
Interesting baseball trades going on today too.
Sox are definitely getting aggressive about
trading. Picked up a closer something that they
didn’t have last year because the guy they wanted
to be closer was hurt early. Then they turn
around and pick up Semarja to beef up their
starting rotation. Cubs have already been
dealing, they don’t have many secrets as to who
they are wanting, although the Lester deal hasn’t
happened yet. But if they pick him up that will
anchor their starting rotation quite a bit too.
As for TN, I still say thats a team to be watching
out for. The SEC east isn’t a super strong
devision, it can be taken and not have to get
around a team like Alabama.Depends on recruiting
but they’ve already improved over last year’s team
despite injuries etc. They don’t give up, unlike
the Chicago Bears who seeo just curl up in a ball.
Illini basketball is looking pretty interesting
this year too and they’ve already landed a major
recruit to start next year. Lots of things on the
sports plate, something that is needed since Da
Bears are so bad this year.
On Dec 9, 2014, at 8:38 AM, Josh
<lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Well, we managed to get into a bowl game this
year. Butch just got a pay raise and a
contract extension.
*From:*audio-pals-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:audio-pals-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>[mailto:audio-pals-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]*On
Behalf Of*Thomas McMahan
*Sent:*Wednesday, November 19, 2014 2:59 AM
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<mailto:audio-pals@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Subject:*[audio-pals] Re: Ghost Town
Yep, keep an eye on those Vols, they are going
to be heard in the next year tr two seriously
the way things are going. They’ve had a lot
of injuries, but still manage to keep on going
to some degree.
Yes the style of offense they play actually
fits Dobs better than the guy they had start
the year, Dobs himself becomes a weapon
because he can take more punishment running
the ball himself. Even in the Bama game they
did’t give up even though Bama got a two score
lead within the first couple of minutes of the
game.
Yes this whole internet thing is a great
invention, have listened to more Tennessee
games this year than Illinois games, although
I did hear the Illini Gofers game and like
everybody else was surprised they actually
pulled that one off. I bet the Gofers were
surprised the most coming in with only 1 Big
10 loss at the time. Think they looked over
the Illini and got burned on that one. Well
it serves them right they derailed the Illini
a number of times in the past.
On Nov 18, 2014, at 6:58 PM, Josh
<lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
I can’t comment on NFL, but I am proud of
what I have seen out of the Vols this
year. It hasn’t been a stellar season, but
the games we have played haven’t been blow
outs either. In fact I heard yesterday I
guess it was one more win for the Vols and
we will be going to a bowl game. I wish
they had of put Josh Dobbs in earlier in
the season rather than redshirting him as
it may have caused more upsets especially
with Muschimp and those Gators. Sorry for
the hi-jack, but I am known for hijacking
post. Right? *LOL*
*From:*audio-pals-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:audio-pals-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>[mailto:audio-pals-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]*On
Behalf Of*Thomas McMahan
*Sent:*Monday, November 17, 2014 5:39 PM
*To:*audio-pals@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:audio-pals@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Subject:*[audio-pals] Re: Ghost Town
The Bears have done a lot of that loosing
this year especially to teams that
logically would be worse than them. Up
until yesterday even playing at home
wasn’t helping them out. But the NFL this
year is completely goofy anyway.
On Nov 17, 2014, at 10:25 AM, BethAnn
LaPresta (Redacted sender
"bela28_02@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:bela28_02@xxxxxxxxx>" for
DMARC) <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
wrote:
Hi everyone. Nothing exciting on this
end, just working and trying to do
some projects around the house for the
appraisal...trying to refinance and
get some cash out of the house to pay
for it all. LOL
My oldest turned 29 on Friday and
apparently ate the entire jello cake
yesterday (with the exception of 3
pieces I made him share with his
friends/brother). The Seattle Seahawks
lost, so I left right after that to
avoid the inevitable "crabby" that
would be expressed about the loss.
Hope you all have a Happy Thanksgiving!
BethAnn
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*From:*Heather H
<copperlee73@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:copperlee73@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
*To:*"audio-pals@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:audio-pals@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>"
<audio-pals@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:audio-pals@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
*Sent:*Sunday, November 16, 2014 10:35 PM
*Subject:*[audio-pals] Re: Ghost Town
Hello, Josh and Tom. Everything is
okay here in snowy Ohio. The snow is
coming down here and I am looking
forward to going out and playing in it
with Selah. well, she will play...I
wouldn't do anything so childish as
that...lol
Hope everyone who celebraates it, has
a wonderful and blessed Thanksgiving.
No turkey here of course...can't
trust it. chicken and dumplings here
for us. The store killed chicken
little for this dish not me!!!!
Hugs to you Bethie!!!!! Happy
birthday to my oldest nephew who just
turned 29. OMG, I'm old. Who let
them grow up?
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 16, 2014, at 11:56 PM, Thomas
McMahan <shadowmonstrosity@xxxxxxx
<mailto:shadowmonstrosity@xxxxxxx>> wrote:
Nope you’re still in the list and so
should everybody else bee, it’s just
been dead quiet lately.
Heather probably has the bus running
again and she and George and Pete and
who knows who else are probably
driving around and stopping at
Wal-marts in Canada again trying to
get Liz’s attention. But I’m not sure
they are going to get Liz’s attention
*lol*.
Got an e-mail from Suzi off list so
know she’s alive too. BethAnn might
be doing another batch of sessions of
closet rap for her next album release
or something, or she’s waiting to sell
you a house Josh. It might be “the
perfect place.” Or maybe not depends
on who’s standard of perfection is
being used perhaps.
Don’t know about Don. Danny though is
alive and well, eating lots and lots
of cream corn, well probably every
meal he eats is cream corn, because he
doesn’t like it so he has been placed
into the cream corn factor.
Patti continues to improve bit by bit,
gets a little more talkative over time
at times. She has a couple of
appointments coming in December, one
is physical, the other is the
Neurologist. But I’m thinking
generally things will be going in the
right direction for her as afar as
they are concerned.
On Nov 16, 2014, at 10:20 PM, Josh
<lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Hello,
How is everyone doing? I have not
seen any post from the list in a
few weeks now. I am wondering if I
have not gotten myself booted
somehow unintentionally. I guess
the last I seen any post was Tom
and I interacting about the family
issues. The issues are not a
hundred percent, but I do feel
that since Amanda stood up and
stood her ground we have gotten
more respect. Now, it seems as
though we are actualy people and
not servants. However, that could
change at any moment. Well, we
have our prequalification letter
and have found a few houses that
we are interested in. We have to
call tomorrow and get a real
estate agent. Getting the prequal
was a bit ofa hassle though. Today
Amanda and I went and bought
little man some birthday presents
and got his location reserved.
Sometime this week we have to get
the invitations filled-out. Amanda
and I are in the home stretch of
the semester and everything seems
to be going alright. I am in one
class where I will not know if I
passed or failed until the final
grade comes out since 50% of the
points aren’t going to be figured
until the end of the semester.
Amanda as far as I know is doing
fine in her classes, she has some
projects that she is working on,
but I belive they are going fine.
So, as always we have a ton of
things going on, but little time
**LOL**. Have a good one and I
hope to be able to read some list
traffic here in a few days. Take
care and chat later.
