[audacity4blind] Re: Sync-Lock WAS Re: Re: Track/project length, SyncLock and more

  • From: Steve the Fiddle <stevethefiddle@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 15:04:38 +0100

I see your point David.
In that case I'd go for "Sync Locked" as that briefly  and precisely
declares the "state" of the track.

Steve

On 12 October 2012 14:49, David Bailes <david_bailes@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi Steve,
> I think that might be confusing.
> Sync lock tracks can be on or off.
> If sync lock tracks is on, then a track displays the sync locked icon if at 
> least one of the tracks in its group is selected.
> So one of my reasons for a screen reader reading a track as "sync locked", 
> rather than either "sync locked on" or "sync lock on" is so as not to confuse 
> the overall setting, and the setting of each track.
>
> David.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Steve the Fiddle <stevethefiddle@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Cc:
> Sent: Friday, 12 October 2012, 13:38
> Subject: [audacity4blind] Re: Sync-Lock WAS Re: Re: Track/project length, 
> SyncLock and more
>
> The button for enabling Sync-Lock has a tool-tip that says "Sync-Lock
> Tracks", so perhaps a sync-locked track could say "Sync Lock On".
>
> Steve
>
> On 12 October 2012 12:29, Robbie <tickleberryfun@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Hi David!
>> I think it should be Sync-Locked. In the other cases it says "on" because it
>> doesn't say "selected" or "soloed". But hey, what ever it says in the end,
>> I'll welcome it.
>>
>> Cheers, Robbie
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: audacity4blind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:audacity4blind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Bailes
>> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:37 PM
>> To: audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [audacity4blind] Re: Sync-Lock WAS Re: Re: Track/project length,
>> SyncLock and more
>>
>> Hi Robbie,
>> thanks for the feedback.
>> Do you have any preference about whether it should be "sync locked on" or
>> just "sync locked". An audacity developer thought that it should be "sync
>> locked on" to fit in with the others, like select on, but I think that just
>> sync locked would be shorter and just as informative. Any views?
>>
>> David.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Robbie <tickleberryfun@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Cc:
>> Sent: Friday, 12 October 2012, 11:03
>> Subject: [audacity4blind] Re: Sync-Lock WAS Re: Re: Track/project length,
>> SyncLock and more
>>
>> Hi David!
>> That sounds good. I think Sync-Locked should be spoken after Solo, Mute and
>> Select, since these are statuses which the user might change while
>> processing a sync-lockdd group. So if I mute a trac for instance, I'D want
>> to have that confirmed before the fixed status of Sync-Locked is announced.
>>
>> Cheers, Robbie
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: audacity4blind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:audacity4blind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Bailes
>> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 11:14 AM
>> To: audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [audacity4blind] Re: Sync-Lock WAS Re: Re: Track/project length,
>> SyncLock and more
>>
>> Hi Robbie and anyone else interested,
>> Audacity needs only a very minor modification so that screen readers will
>> read whether a track is displaying the sync locked icon, in a similar manner
>> to select, mute etc. A track displays this icon if sync-lock tracks is
>> checked on the tracks menu, and at least one track is selected in the group.
>> A couple of questions about what screen readers should say:
>> 1. Any preference as to whether the phase "sync locked" or "sync locked on"
>> is used?
>> 2. Any preference as to whether for a selected track the sync locked phrase
>> is read before or after "selected on".
>>
>> thanks,
>> David.
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Robbie <tickleberryfun@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Cc:
>> Sent: Friday, 27 July 2012, 1:09
>> Subject: [audacity4blind] Re: Sync-Lock WAS Re: Re: Track/project length,
>> SyncLock and more
>>
>> Hi Gale!
>> Now that I have grasped the functionality of Sync-Lock I think it's all the
>> more important to be able to tell which track is displaying the Sync-Lock
>> icon. Especially when tracks across several groups are Sync-Locked, it would
>> be good to know which tracks are affected when a certain track is selected.
>> Ideally the screen reader should announce that info together with infos such
>> as "Solo On" or "Mute On" as you're navigating the track table.
>>
>> Cheers, Robbie
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: audacity4blind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:audacity4blind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gale Andrews
>> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 11:46 PM
>> To: audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [audacity4blind] Sync-Lock WAS Re: Re: Track/project length,
>> SyncLock and more
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: audacity4blind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:audacity4blind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Bailes
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 1:08 PM
>>> To: audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [audacity4blind] Re: Track/project length, SyncLock and more
>>> A track is sync locked if any of the tracks in its group are selected.
>>
>> Confusingly, it's sync-locked with other members of its group, even if not
>> selected. The sync-lock icon is not a state indicator of whether the track
>> is sync-locked. It is an indicator that the track is in a sync-locked group
>> where at least one of the tracks in that group is selected.
>>
>> A sighted user can demonstrate that by using Time Shift Tool to drag one of
>> several unselected tracks when Sync-Lock Tracks is on - all the tracks move
>> even though the Sync-Lock icon in the tracks is off.
>>
>> Maybe this is less of a problem for non-sighted users.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Gale
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