[audacity4blind] Re: Sync-Lock WAS Re: Re: Track/project length, SyncLock and more

  • From: David Bailes <david_bailes@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 19:50:32 +0100 (BST)

Hi Robbie,
you said:
"I assumed the icon would show for which ever tracks are affected if
Sync-Lock is activated."

My understanding is that is indeed the case, except for moving tracks using the 
time shift tool.
It's unlikely that many users of screen readers use the time shift tool, so for 
users of screen readers, there's less potential confusion than for sighted 
users.

The screen reader could read "sync locked icon" rather than "sync locked", but 
its longer, and I'm not sure it's more meaningful.

David.



----- Original Message -----
From: Robbie <tickleberryfun@xxxxxxxxx>
To: audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: 
Sent: Friday, 12 October 2012, 19:29
Subject: [audacity4blind] Re: Sync-Lock WAS Re: Re: Track/project length, 
SyncLock and more

Hi Gale!
OK, I assumed the icon would show for which ever tracks are affected if
Sync-Lock is activated. In that regard I would prefer it to be a state
indicator. I bet sighted users are confused too by the logic behind the
absence / presence of the icon?

Cheers, Robbie
-----Original Message-----
From: audacity4blind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:audacity4blind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve the Fiddle
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 8:01 PM
To: audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [audacity4blind] Re: Sync-Lock WAS Re: Re: Track/project length,
SyncLock and more

Doesn't this become complex when you get into the detail :grin:

Do screen readers read the track panel for selected tracks or for the
track that has focus?

If they read the track panel for the track that has focus, would it be
better if the Sync-Lock status was read when enabled, whether the
sync-lock icon is displayed or not?

1) If the Sync-Lock status is read for all Sync-Locked tracks and not only
for selected Sync-Locked tracks, then I agree that "Sync Lock On"
is better.

2) If the Sync-Lock status is only read when the track is selected, and
thus is putting the meaning of the track Sync-Lock Icon into words, then I
think "Sync-Locked" is probably a better description.

Of these two options I would expect that declaring the Sync-Lock status,
whether or not the icon is displayed, would be more useful (option 1).

Steve

On 12 October 2012 18:08, Gale Andrews <gale@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> | From David Bailes <david_bailes@xxxxxxxxxxx> Fri, 12 Oct 2012
> | 11:37:01 +0100 (BST)
> | Subject: Sync-Lock WAS Re: Re: Track/project length, SyncLock and
> | more
>> Hi Robbie,
>> thanks for the feedback.
>> Do you have any preference about whether it should be "sync locked on"
or just "sync locked". An audacity developer thought that it should be
"sync locked on" to fit in with the others, like select on, but I think
that just sync locked would be shorter and just as informative. Any views?
>
> I agreed with that developer, but the menu item is "Sync-Lock Tracks"
> so that developer and I suggested "Sync-Lock On".
> Isn't "Sync-Lock On" more grammatically correct than "Sync-Locked On"?
>
> The Sync-Lock icon is not a state indicator for the track (this is
> arguably wrong). So if the Sync-Lock Tracks menu item is on,
> timeshifting a track shifts all tracks in the group, even if the icon
> is off because no tracks are selected. For that reason "Sync-Locked"
> may be more misleading than "Sync-Lock On", though if VI users do not
> use Time Shift Tool this may not matter.
>
> While "Sync-Locked" is possibly OK if it is spoken last, it is not OK
> if spoken before "Select On" because it sounds like "Sync-Locked
> Select On".
>
> I also noticed that Sync-Lock has relatively little effect on the
> Tracks > Align Tracks commands which VI users use. When Sync-Lock
> Tracks is off, these align commands work just on the selected
> track(s), but when Sync-Lock Tracks is on, these commands still only
> work on the selected tracks. The only difference is that when
> Sync-Lock Tracks is on, any unselected tracks in the sync-locked group
> shift to keep synchronisation with the selected tracks that were
> realigned.  I think this is probably OK, though.
>
>
>
>
> Gale
>
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Robbie <tickleberryfun@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Cc:
>> Sent: Friday, 12 October 2012, 11:03
>> Subject: [audacity4blind] Re: Sync-Lock WAS Re: Re: Track/project
>> length, SyncLock and more
>>
>> Hi David!
>> That sounds good. I think Sync-Locked should be spoken after Solo,
>> Mute and Select, since these are statuses which the user might change
>> while processing a sync-lockdd group. So if I mute a trac for
>> instance, I'D want to have that confirmed before the fixed status of
Sync-Locked is announced.
>>
>> Cheers, Robbie
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: audacity4blind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:audacity4blind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David
>> Bailes
>> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 11:14 AM
>> To: audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [audacity4blind] Re: Sync-Lock WAS Re: Re: Track/project
>> length, SyncLock and more
>>
>> Hi Robbie and anyone else interested, Audacity needs only a very
>> minor modification so that screen readers will read whether a track
>> is displaying the sync locked icon, in a similar manner to select,
>> mute etc. A track displays this icon if sync-lock tracks is checked
>> on the tracks menu, and at least one track is selected in the group.
>> A couple of questions about what screen readers should say:
>> 1. Any preference as to whether the phase "sync locked" or "sync locked
on"
>> is used?
>> 2. Any preference as to whether for a selected track the sync locked
>> phrase is read before or after "selected on".
>>
>> thanks,
>> David.
>>
>
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