[audacity4blind] Re: Creating Multiple Tracks

  • From: "Ron" <facup1927@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 16:05:27 -0000

Surely, living in a democracy, they can learn how they like?

Ron
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gene 
  To: audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 3:02 PM
  Subject: [audacity4blind] Re: Creating Multiple Tracks


  Your statement about letting people come to Audacity in their own manner 
implies that there is something wrong with people recommending material or 
methods.  There is nothing wrong with people doing so.  And you recommend a 
method of learning immediately after saying let people come to Audacity in 
their own manner.  I have no objection to you recommending an approach you like 
but it's your recommendation just as Mine was mine.  

  My experience based on years of observation and discussion, is that a lot of 
blind people, probably most, learn programs far better using tutorials than the 
manual, at least in the early stages.  I'm specifying blind people because I 
haven't done much observation of how sighted people learn such material.

  If different people make different suggestions and/or recommendations, people 
can decide which ones they want to use. 

  Gene
  ----- Original Message -----

  From: Robbie 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 8:30 AM
  To: audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Subject: [audacity4blind] Re: Creating Multiple Tracks


  Easy there! Let a person come to Audacity in their own manner. Rick, I 
recommend reading the manual selectively. I myself am a bad manual reader and 
would rather have input from another person. However, when I learned using 
Audacity I found the manual very helpful. I never read it from top to bottom 
but turned to specific sections every time a certain  question arose. The 
sections on Audio Tracks and Playing and Recording can give you an 
understanding of how tracks and recording work. When starting out on Audacity 
it’s probably less confusing than getting answers from people who have each 
developed their own method of doing things. 

  If you press alt-h m the manual will open in your web browser. You can tab 
through the topics from the heading Audacity 2.0.6 Manual.

   

  Cheers! Robbie

  From: audacity4blind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:audacity4blind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gene
  Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 3:45 PM
  To: audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Subject: [audacity4blind] Re: Creating Multiple Tracks

   

  If you want to experiment, I have no objection.  If you want to learn what 
you are learning because you think it will be useful for other kinds of 
projects in the future, fine.  But if you only want to learn how to do what you 
said you want to do in the easiest way with the least learning, the method I 
gave will serve that purpose.  In my method, you don't have to organize 
anything, you don't have to move or select anything, you can just record and 
save and have everything in the correct order ready to burn to cd in the 
correct order.

  Again, record the first track.  Export it to a file named 01 in whatever 
format you want suchh as mp3 or wave.

  Close and reopen audacity.  Record the second track.  Export it with the 
number 02.

  Follow this procedure until you have recorded all the tracks.  Then burn them 
to cd.  

   

  Gene

  ----- Original Message -----

  >   From: Rick Boggess
  >   To: audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  >   Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 12:08 PM
  >   Subject: [audacity4blind] Re: Creating Multiple Tracks
  >
  >
  >   Thanks.  I have done some experimenting and  I'm beginning to understand
  > what is going on.  I typed r to record the first track and press space.
  > When I pressed r again I heard what I had recorded.  I then pressed space
  > and then r and was able to record a second track.  When I press enter to
  > select any of the tracks and try to listen I must listen to all the tracks
  > I've recorded although they show up as 1, 2, 3, etc.
  >
  >
  >
  >   Rick
  >
  >
  >
  >   From: audacity4blind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  > [mailto:audacity4blind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gary Campbell
  >   Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 12:48 PM
  >   To: audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  >   Subject: [audacity4blind] Re: Creating Multiple Tracks
  >
  >
  >
  >   Hi Rick,
  >
  >   You want to generate a separate file for each track.  You could record
  > each track and save it to a file, as suggested, then record the next track
  > and save it.  Or you could record each topic, after each topic press space
  > to stop, then r to record the next track.  Audacity starts recording a new
  > track at the current cursor position, so the second track will start at the
  > end of the first track.  If you press HOME (i.e. by accident, or to review
  > what you did, the new track might start somewhere else, like at time 0, but
  > that's okay.  If that happens select all the tracks and do Tracks > Align
  > end-to-end.  This isn't important for the export, but it will make it easier
  > to listen to what you've done and understand how your content will fit
  > together, also you can more easily tell the total length of your project.
  >
  >   This idea of tracks starting at somewhere other than time 0 might seem a
  > bit odd, but it will become clear with a bit of experimentation. Open a new
  > Audacity project, press r and record a bit, say 30 seconds, then press SPACE
  > to stop.
  >   Now, without doing anything else, press r again and record a second track,
  > then press space to stop.  Just for fun, press HOME, then r and record a
  > third track, and press space to stop.
  >   Now press HOME and listen to what you did.  You will hear the first and
  > third track playing together.  When the first track finishes you will hear
  > the second track.
  >   Press CTRL+SHIFT+a to deselect everything.
  >   Move to the second track and press ENTER.  Your screen reader will
  > indicate it is selected.
  >   Now press j.  j and k are for the selected tracks what HOME and END are
  > for the whole project.
  >   Press space-- the second track will start playing.  Press space again to
  > stop.
  >   Now check your position.  If your first track was 30 seconds long, track 2
  > will start at 30 seconds.
  >   Now press ENTER to deselect the second track, downarrow to move to the 3rd
  > track, and ENTER to select it.
  >   Press j and check your position.  It is at 0.
  >
  >   There are several ways to deal with the first and 3rd tracks playing on
  > top of each other.  The first way is to align the tracks end-to-end.  This
  > might be the best thing to do for your job.  Press CTRL+a to select
  > everything, then press ALT+t,a to move to the align submenu of the Tracks
  > menu.  The first item is align end-to-end, so press ENTER.
  >   Now play your project and you will find that the 3rd track starts at the
  > end of the 2nd.
  >   Press CTRL+SHIFT+a to deselect everything, move to track 3 and press ENTER
  > to select it, then j.  You are at the start of track 3.  Check your position
  > and you will find it starts at the time of the end of track 2.
  >   You can now edit any of the tracks by making sure only the tracks you are
  > editing are selected.  If you do something to change the length of one of
  > the tracks, you will have to realign them.  For example, assuming your first
  > track was 30 seconds long, move to it and select ENTER.  Position the cursor
  > at 25 seconds by either playing it, or go to the selection toolbar and set
  > the start of the selection to 25 seconds.  From the track, press SHIFT+k,
  > which will select from the 25-second point to the end of track 1.  You now
  > should have the start and end times at 25sec and 30sec, respectively.  Press
  > DEL to delete.
  >   Now press HOME and play your project.  There will now be 5 seconds of
  > silence between the end of the first track and the start of track 2.  Since
  > you are going to put each track in a separate file, this doesn't really
  > matter much.  However it would probably be easiest to work with if you fixed
  > this.  Select all the tracks and do Align end-to-end again and the gap is
  > gone.
  >
  >   The second way is to not align the tracks and mute the tracks you don't
  > want to hear or put the ones you do in Solo mode.  Since the first 2 tracks
  > are aligned and the 3rd track is the only problem track, we'll mute it.
  > Move to track 3 and press SHIFT+u.  Now the track will identify as "mute
  > on", and when you play, you won't hear track 3.  (Sometimes you have to
  > switch to another track and back for the screen reader to be aware of this
  > change.)  Instead of muting track 3, you could put track 1 in Solo mode.  To
  > do this move to track 1 and press Shift+s.  The track will now identify as
  > Solo on.  Which you use will depend on what you are doing and your personal
  > taste, but remember that muted tracks aren't exported.  If you are using
  > mute, CTRL+Shift+u (unmute all) and CTRL+u (mute all) are handy keystrokes
  > when working this way.
  >
  >   When you are done and want to save the files, use File > Export Multiple
  > (CTRL+Shift+L).  You can export to MP3, but WAV files would retain more
  > quality.  This might not matter for what you are doing, but if you were
  > doing something you want to be good quality this would be better, the files
  > will be bigger though.  I use FLAC for my masters.  It's bigger than MP3,
  > but smaller than WAV.
  >
  >   In the Export Multiple dialog you first choose the file format.  Then you
  > choose a folder to place the files in.  There is a Choose button to browse
  > for it, and a Create button to create it if it doesn't exist.  Then you have
  > a set of radio buttons that determine how to split the project into files.
  > In this case we want to use tracks.  Then is the Name Files group.  I think
  > all tracks are called "audio track" if you haven't renamed them, so I would
  > pick one of the options that add numbers.  Once these are set up, choose
  > Export and it happens.  I think the metadata editor opens for each file.
  > There you can set things like the track title that might appear on the CD
  > player display when the CD is played.  I say might, because I can't get
  > Media Player to write the info (called CD text) to the CD.  It shows it in
  > the burn list, but it doesn't show up on the CD.  Since Microsoft bothers to
  > show the information in the burn list, I can't imagine that they wouldn't
  > write the CD text, so maybe it's my CD drive-- but it can write CD text
  > because it does work with the CDRecord program, a command line program
  > that's a port from UNIX and a lot of work to use.  I also don't get CD text
  > with EAC or Winamp.  I could probably solve this by buying a burning
  > program, but I haven't yet.  XP came with this capability, and I just have a
  > hard time getting my head around the idea that a later operating system
  > (8.1) can't do something for free that one of its ancestors could.
  >
  >   Whatever program you use to burn your CDs will probably take care of this
  > for you, but CDs expect a 16-bit 44100 stereo WAV file.  If you can burn
  > MP3s, that means it is doing the conversion.  When I use CDRecord, I have to
  > make sure they are converted to this format.
  >
  >   This all sounds complicated, but I think you will find it not hard if you
  > play with it for a bit.  Good luck!
  >
  >   Hope this helps.
  >
  >   Gary
  >
  >   On 11/28/2014 6:33 AM, Gene wrote:
  >
  >     That is not what the person wants to do.  He wants completely separate
  > files, one for each track.  He would then burn the separate files on cd and
  > the audio format should be used when burning.
  >
  >
  >
  >     Here is one way to do this.  Depending on what you are recording, it may
  > be suitable.  Let's say you are recording something you wrote such as the
  > minutes of a meeting.  there are five separate topics, each topic taking a
  > few minutes to read.
  >
  >     Record the first topic.
  >
  >      Export it as an mp3 file with the name 01.  .
  >
  >     Close Audacity and reopen it.
  >
  >     Record the second topic.  Save it as 02.mp3
  >
  >     Continue until all topics have been recorded.
  >
  >     Then burn the cd using the audio format.
  >
  >
  >
  >     There is probably a new command that would probably save you a bit of
  > time but it isn't necessary to use and I won't discuss it here.
  >
  >
  >
  >     Gene
  >
  >      From
  >
  >     : Robbie
  >
  >     Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 12:49 AM
  >
  >     To: audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  >
  >     Subject: [audacity4blind] Re: Creating Multiple Tracks
  >
  >
  >
  >     Hi Rick!
  >
  >     You need to align each track to its start position to have them play in
  > a certain order. Since you're creating a CD you probably want to play one
  > after the other. The simplest way of doing this is to use the Align End to
  > End command in the Tracks menu. Press ctrl-A and alt-T-A-A to do this.
  >
  >
  >
  >     Cheers! Robbie
  >
  >     From: audacity4blind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  > [mailto:audacity4blind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Rick Boggess
  >     Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 4:56 AM
  >     To: audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  >     Subject: [audacity4blind] Creating Multiple Tracks
  >
  >
  >
  >     I am in a support group and prepare print and recorded CD information
  > (about 5-10 minutes ) each month.  I produce an audio CD since most members
  > are older and do not have access to a daisy player.  However, I would like
  > to make the information more navigable.  Someone suggested that I record
  > each item on a separate track.  I have tried creating multiple tracks using
  > Audacity but they are on top of each other.  I need some guidance on how to
  > create the separate tracks.  Should I label each track and what is the best
  > way to accomplish this.  I must admit that I am a novice when it comes to
  > editing and producing digital audio.  Your help is greatly appreciated.  By
  > the way I am using JAWS 16.
  >
  >
  >
  >     Rick Boggess
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
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