[audacity4blind] Re: Add-ons for NVDA

  • From: Gary Campbell <campg2003@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2016 10:24:13 -0700

Okay, something was setting it back to 0. I think I had to show it, then kill Audacity, change dock to 1, then restart, or something like that.


Gary



On 12/1/2016 6:42 AM, David Bailes wrote:

Hi Gary,
forgot to add re the combined meter. If you want to use it, in Audacity.cfg, under [GUI/ToolBars/CombinedMeter] if you set Dock=1 rather than 0, that should fix it.

David.

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 1:37 PM, David Bailes <drbailes@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:drbailes@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

    Hi Gary,
    it looks like there's a bug with the combined toolbar. It's not
    consistent, but depending on factors I haven't quite worked out
    yet, it is sometimes not docked in the toolbars, but it floating.
    You should be able to reach it by pressing alt+f6. I would just
    stick to the separate recording and playback toolbars for the
    moment. Audacity is currently frozen, so I can't try and fix it.

    David.


    On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 12:37 AM, Gary Campbell
    <campg2003@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:campg2003@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

        Do you know where the combined toolbar went?  I don't find it
        when I tab through the toolbars.


        Gary




        On 11/30/2016 1:45 PM, Robert Hänggi wrote:

            Hi Gary

            The tool bars have lost there parent-children relationship.
            instead of being on one level:
            Panel  | Tool dock | tool dock | time line
            it is now
            panel | panel2 | tool dock | frame | frame  ...
            with Panel 2 holding the second tool dock (all upper tool
            bars) just
            beside the time line (which should be a children of the
            higher level
            tool dock that holds the selection tool bar).
            And open dialogs have changed too, including progress bar.

            NVDA Addon site is not an option, they want to host there
            own plug-ins.
            Also, the source code is on BitBucket and I don't want to
            have an
            account there as well.
            I will probably use Git-Hub.

            The exact release date is not yet clear. We are currently
            in freeze
            (until 3. Dec approx) and just after that release
            candidate one will
            be issued.
            Seems to become a X-mas present. I would wait those 3-4 weeks.

            Robert


            Robert

            2016-11-30 18:05 GMT+01:00, Gary Campbell
            <campg2003@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:campg2003@xxxxxxxxx>>:

                How about the NVDA add-ons site?


                Gary



                On 11/28/2016 2:02 AM, Robert Hänggi wrote:

                    Thanks Cuong, I'm already working on it.
                    Packing and renaming is not the problem but rather
                    writing the help
                    file... ;)

                    Do you know where the add-on could permanently be
                    stored online?
                    Thanks

                    Robert

                    2016-11-28 8:24 GMT+01:00, Dang Manh Cuong
                    <dangmanhcuong@xxxxxxxxx
                    <mailto:dangmanhcuong@xxxxxxxxx>>:

                        Hi
                        Please send me your add-on at zip file,
                        including the  manifest.ini that
                        containsinfo about your add-on. I'll package
                        it at*.nvda-addon file,
                        easily

                        for installing
                        Cuong.
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                        Here's what's in the user guide of NVDA:

                        9.4. Location of Configuration files
                        Portable versions of NVDA store all settings,
                        custom appModules and
                        custom drivers in a directory called
                        userConfig, found in the NVDA
                        directory.
                        Installed versions of NVDA store all settings,
                        custom appModules and
                        custom drivers in a special NVDA directory
                        located in your Windows
                        user profile. This means that each user on the
                        system can have their
                        own NVDA settings. To get to your settings
                        directory for an installed
                        version of NVDA, on the start menu you can go
                        to programs -> NVDA ->
                        explore user configuration directory.
                        Settings for NVDA when running on the logon or
                        UAC screens are stored
                        in the systemConfig directory in NVDA's
                        installation directory.
                        Usually, this configuration should not be
                        touched. To change NVDA's
                        configuration on the logon/UAC screens,
                        configure NVDA as you wish
                        while logged into Windows, save the
                        configuration, and then press the
                        "Use currently saved settings on the logon and
                        other secure screens"
                        button in the General Settings dialog.


                        Does this help?

                        Robert

                        2016-11-28 5:58 GMT+01:00, Robert Hänggi
                        <aarjay.robert@xxxxxxxxx
                        <mailto:aarjay.robert@xxxxxxxxx>>:

                            Just search for "audacity.py" in the
                            search box of the explorer.
                            (on win7:
                            Restart NVDA with add-ons disabled
                            Windows+e, Control+e, "audacity.py".
                            This should list all instances.
                            Rename the files with *.pyc to *.pyb.
                            open the folders where those files are
                            situated (context
                            menu->containing folder) and paste my file
                            there.
                            Restart NVDA with add-ons enabled.

                            I don't think that the layout should much
                            differ but who knows.
                            For the worst case, I can pack the file
                            and you can install it with
                            the add-on manager.
                            But I have to read up the procedure first.

                            Robert

                            2016-11-28 1:12 GMT+01:00, Autery
                            <autery@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
                            <mailto:autery@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>:

                                Lol,

                                I have no luck finding that file.

                                Programx86/NVDA/userconf/appmodule..
                                My NVDA is not setup this way..

                                I have the latest NVDA not the
                                overnight built.

                                Would this my layout different?



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                                Usually, there's a file "audacity.pyc"
                                and the c stands for
                                "compiled".
                                My file isn't compiled and should work
                                as is.
                                There's another audacity.pyc under
                                program files
                                (x86)->NVDA->userConfig->appModules.
                                Rename that too (the *.pyb that I've
                                proposed stands for backup).
                                You could of course also move those
                                files to another folder.
                                The only purpose of the original app
                                module is to ensure that Audacity
                                doesn't speak the ampersand symbol '&'
                                in e.g dialog buttons.
                                Naturally, this is included in my file
                                too. In other words, you could
                                ass
                                well delete the old *.pic files.
                                Don't forget to restart NVDA.
                                NVDA+Control+F1 tells you the
                                application with focus and if a module
                                has been loaded.

                                Robert

                                PS. The add on is designed for the
                                English version of Audacity.

                                2016-11-27 22:53 GMT+01:00, Autery
                                <autery@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
                                <mailto:autery@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>:

                                    Thank you!

                                    However, I am a little confuse.

                                    The file you sent me.py
                                    I drop this in nvda app module and
                                    which file to I rename to .pyb???

                                    Because I tried it and had no
                                    luck. Lol hahah

                                    Thanks!

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                                    Add-ons for NVDA

                                    OK, like promised, here is the Add-on:
                                    
https://www.dropbox.com/s/6wnb71hz33yvygs/audacity.py?dl=0
                                    
<https://www.dropbox.com/s/6wnb71hz33yvygs/audacity.py?dl=0>

                                    As I said before, it has to be
                                    copied in a folder that looks like
                                    this:

                                    "C:\Users\Robert
                                    Hänggi\AppData\Roaming\nvda\appModules\"

                                    "audacity.py"  replaces the
                                    already existing audacity.pyc file
                                    (rename
                                    the latter to e.g. audacity.pyb).
                                    It may also be in another place
                                    where it has to be replaced as well.

                                    Restart NVDA or press NVDA+Control+F3.
                                    Start Audacity.

                                    Things I've forgot to mention earlier:
                                    F7 reports the names of the tool
                                    bars. Some features require the tool
                                    bars to be enabled, for instance
                                    the playback gain can only be read
                                    if
                                    the play meter tool bar is enabled
                                    (view menu).

                                    NVDA+page up and -down simulates
                                    the mouse wheel--not really
                                    necessary
                                    for most users.
                                    NVDA+i reports the column where
                                    the cursor stands in a edit box. This
                                    is mainly for the Nyquist prompt
                                    to get the indentations right.

                                    As you know, you can change the
                                    selection start/end/length with the
                                    controls of the selection tool bar
                                    by pressing up or down arrow.
                                    What I've added:
                                    If you hold shift while doing
                                    that, a short preview of the new
                                    position will be played.
                                    For instance: you can swiftly go
                                    through an audio book by navigating
                                    to the minute or 10 minute field
                                    and press Shift+up/down.

                                    The other hotkeys have been
                                    described in an earlier message.
                                    However,
                                    you can of course call the input
                                    gesture dialog and look them up
                                    (NVDA+n, p, n) or search them
                                    manually by toggling keyboard help
                                    on/off
                                    (NVDA+1).

                                    I hope the add-on will work with
                                    your NVDA and Audacity versions.
                                    I recommend the 2.1.3 Alpha
                                    version or the new Audacity
                                    release that
                                    is due at the end of the year.

                                    Suggestions and questions are
                                    appreciated.

                                    Robert

                                    2016-11-27 22:03 GMT+01:00, Robert
                                    Hänggi <aarjay.robert@xxxxxxxxx
                                    <mailto:aarjay.robert@xxxxxxxxx>>:

                                        You have to rebuild Audacity
                                        yourself each time that you
                                        want a new
                                        version.
                                        That's not very hard to do though.
                                        The hardest part is to install
                                        all for the first time, including
                                        VisualStudio, Git-Hub, the
                                        ASIO SDK, WxWidgets and the
                                        Audacity
                                        source code.

                                        Robert

                                        2016-11-27 5:36 GMT+01:00,
                                        Autery
                                        <autery@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
                                        <mailto:autery@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>:

                                            Once you add asio to one
                                            version of audacity, if
                                            there is an
                                            update;
                                            do you have to add asio
                                            all over again to the new
                                            version?

                                            Or does the new version
                                            includes the old version
                                            asio into the new
                                            changes?



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                                            Re: Add-ons for NVDA

                                            No costs, it's fully free.

                                            My build has ASIO but I
                                            rarely use it.
                                            I'm fairly satisfied with
                                            Wasapi and its 24-bit
                                            recording depth.
                                            The changes have more to
                                            do with e.g. label tracks
                                            and automatic
                                            track information for
                                            imported files with an
                                            unusual format, such
                                            as
                                            8000 Hz at
                                            8
                                            bit.
                                            And there's some debugging
                                            information as well.

                                            Robert

                                            2016-11-26 17:59
                                            GMT+01:00, Autery
                                            <autery@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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                                                Ok cool!

                                                How much it cost??

                                                And when you said you
                                                have a custom Audacity
                                                built, what do you
                                                mean?

                                                Did you add ASIO??

                                                Did you add other
                                                function to Audacity
                                                beside ASio??

                                                Thanks
                                                Autery Weekes

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                                                [audacity4blind] Re:
                                                Add-ons for NVDA

                                                Thanks very much for
                                                the interest.

                                                I'm preparing the
                                                addon for you.
                                                I try to make it ready
                                                for Audacity 2.1.3
                                                Unfortunately, the
                                                window
                                                hierarchy of the new
                                                release has changed
                                                and I have to compensate
                                                for this.
                                                However, I think it
                                                should be ready
                                                tomorrow evening.
                                                Hold the line...

                                                Robert

                                                2016-11-22 18:28
                                                GMT+01:00, Vitor Ferreira
                                                <vitorflash@xxxxxxxxxx
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                                                    Hello.
                                                    I also think that
                                                    this addon would
                                                    be very
                                                    interesting for me.
                                                    Could you make it
                                                    available? Many
                                                    thanks.

                                                    Vitor

                                                    Às 12:09 de
                                                    22/11/2016, Autery
                                                    escreveu:

                                                        Ok cool!

                                                        Sounds great...

                                                        You said you
                                                        got a special
                                                        build of
                                                        Audacity???
                                                        Cool!!!

                                                        ASIO included??

                                                        I wish I could
                                                        do that lol
                                                        hahahaha....

                                                        I would be
                                                        interestedin
                                                        the NVDA addon.

                                                        Thanks
                                                        Autery

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                                                        Re: Add-ons
                                                        for NVDA

                                                        Hi Autery

                                                        There do not
                                                        exist official
                                                        Addons but
                                                        some private
                                                        attempts.

                                                        I have written
                                                        my own one but
                                                        it is without
                                                        installer. This
                                                        means
                                                        that you have
                                                        to put the
                                                        *.py file
                                                        manually at
                                                        the appropriate
                                                        place.
                                                        (e.g. at
                                                        "C:\Users<your
                                                        
name>AppData\Roaming\nvda\appModules\audacity.py")

                                                        It has
                                                        certainly less
                                                        features than
                                                        the
                                                        corresponding JAWS
                                                        script.

                                                        Here are some
                                                        features:

                                                        1. The
                                                        additional
                                                        (key) commands
                                                        can be viewed
                                                        within the input
                                                        gesture dialog
                                                        of NVDA
                                                        [NVDA+n,p,n],
                                                        under "Audacity.
                                                        Some do not
                                                        work because
                                                        I've got a
                                                        special build
                                                        of Audacity
                                                        and
                                                        I'll omit them
                                                        here.

                                                        2. NVDA+e
                                                            pressed
                                                        ones, reports
                                                        the selected
                                                        tracks.
                                                            twice
                                                        pressed,
                                                        reports all
muted tracks pressed three
                                                        times,
                                                        reports all
                                                        tracks that
                                                        are soloed.
                                                        3. Page Up/Down
                                                            Jumps 3
                                                        tracks up or down.
                                                        4. NVDA+a
                                                            Reports
                                                        current audio
                                                        position,
                                                        during stop or
                                                        playback (or
                                                        recording...).
                                                        5. NVDA+j
                                                            Reports
                                                        the selection
                                                        start
                                                        6. NVDA+k
                                                            Reports
                                                        the selection
                                                        end or says
                                                        "long" if
                                                        "Length" is
                                                        chosen
                                                        in the
                                                        selection tool
                                                        bar.
                                                            Those
                                                        three commands
                                                        omit
                                                        automatically
                                                        unnecessary
                                                        zeros and
                                                        alike, for
                                                        instance
                                                        02:00:22.300
                                                        gives two
                                                        hours 22.3
                                                        seconds.
                                                        Pressing those
                                                        shortcuts
                                                        quickly two
                                                        times in
                                                        succession spells
                                                        the values.

                                                        6. F9 or F10
                                                            reports
                                                        the playback
                                                        or recording
                                                        peak respectively.
                                                        7. NVDA+volume
                                                        down/up
                                                            extends or
                                                        contracts the
                                                        left selection
                                                        boundary and
                                                        plays a
                                                        preview from
                                                        this position.
                                                        8.
                                                        NVDA+shift+volume
                                                        up/down
                                                            extends or
                                                        contracts the
                                                        right
                                                        selection
                                                        boundary and
                                                        plays a
                                                        preview from
                                                        this position,
                                                        i.e. a bit of
                                                        what comes
                                                        after the
                                                        selection.
                                                        9. Pause (on
                                                        the keyboard)
                                                            key to tap
                                                        a tempo. A
                                                        high click
                                                        means that the
                                                        measurement
                                                        has
                                                        started.
                                                        Tap eight or
                                                        more times to
                                                        "catch" the
                                                        tempo. A
                                                        longer delay
                                                        resets the
                                                        measurement.
                                                        Use the next
                                                        key
                                                        combination to
                                                        read the
                                                        measured
                                                        tempo:
                                                        10. NVDA+pause
                                                            pressed
                                                        once,
                                                        announces the
                                                        measured tempo
                                                        in beats per
                                                        minutes, i.e.
                                                        128.7.
                                                            If you're
                                                        in the input
                                                        box of the
                                                        click track
                                                        (or rhythm
                                                        track)
                                                        of Audacity's
                                                        generate menu,
                                                        this value
                                                        will automatically
                                                        inserted.
                                                            Pressed
                                                        twice,
                                                        announces it
                                                        in classical
                                                        tempo description,
                                                        for
                                                        instance
                                                        "Largo",
                                                        "Andante" or
                                                        "Presto"
                                                        11. Key for
                                                        context menu
                                                            opens
                                                        directly on
                                                        the first item
                                                        of a track's
                                                        drop down menu,
                                                        for audio
                                                        tracks, this
                                                        would be
                                                        "name". In
                                                        general, this
                                                        add-on
                                                        avoids
                                                        unnecessary
                                                        information
                                                        such as
                                                        "Audacity->Panel->Track
                                                        view->Track
                                                        one, when e.g.
                                                        switching from
                                                        another
                                                        application or
                                                        the tool bars
                                                        and speaks
                                                        just "track one".

                                                        I think that
                                                        covers the
                                                        main points.
                                                        Note: A
                                                        description of
                                                        the commands
                                                        is also
                                                        available with
                                                        NVDA's
                                                        input help
                                                        enabled
                                                        (NVDA+1 toggle).

                                                        Tell me if
                                                        this add-on
                                                        could be of
                                                        any help to
                                                        you or if you
                                                        would like to
                                                        have another
                                                        feature added.

                                                        Robert

                                                        2016-11-18
                                                        23:20
                                                        GMT+01:00,
                                                        Autery
                                                        <autery@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
                                                        
<mailto:autery@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>:

                                                            Hello
                                                            everyone,



                                                            Is there
                                                            any
                                                            Audacity
                                                            add-ons
                                                            for NVDA?



                                                            If yes,
                                                            where
                                                            could I
                                                            find them?



                                                            Thanks in
                                                            advance!!

                                                            Autery Weekes


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