[audacity4blind] Re: A Timing Problem

  • From: Eric Lueck <echodash19@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 13:11:59 -0600

Nope, still persists. I use the brackets to select audio and both
tracks move even if only the one is selected and I hit align with
cursor.

On 9/8/13, Robbie <tickleberryfun@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi!
> When you set the left boundary, don't forget to use the Align With Cursor
> command.
> Personally I only work with brackets if I want to select very long
> passages, which is rare. If you simply want to move a track to a certain
> position, play the project and press shift-A where you want that track to
> begin. Make sure only that track is selected and use Tracks > Align With
> Cursor.
>
> Cheers, Robbie
> -----Original Message-----
> From: audacity4blind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:audacity4blind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Eric Lueck
> Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 4:56 PM
> To: audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [audacity4blind] Re: A Timing Problem
>
> After trying 3 versions of Audacity with the latest installed on my
> computer, the selection problem still ersists. I know it's something I'm
> not getting, but I can't figure it out.
>
> As a reminder, every track is selected even if the selection is off for
> every one aside from a single track. Every track plays at the same time
> and every track moves at the same time I stop them at.
>
> On 8/17/13, Gale Andrews <gale@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> | From Eric Lueck <echodash19@xxxxxxxxx> Fri, 16 Aug 2013 20:40:04
>> | -0600
>> | Subject: A Timing Problem
>>> I tried the steps and it didn't work.
>>>
>>> I aligned the cursor with the selected track and selected a time, and
>>> the other track that I didn't select before still selected the same
>>> time as the other.
>>
>> As I stated in my previous reply, Audacity only has one time range or
>> cursor position in each project window. So yes the cursor or selection
>> will move in all the tracks when you use left or right bracket.
>>
>> David's experiment should prove to you that only the selected track
>> moves when you do the align.
>>
>> When you move the selected track using the align command this means
>> that you have to select the other track then use J to move the
>> playback position back to the start of that track.
>>
>> After pressing J, use left bracket to confirm the start point of that
>> track is still the same as before.
>>
>>
>>
>> Gale
>>
>>
>>> Also, I've found a friend has this exact problem with version 2.03
>>> and we both have not done anything to mess with the preferences.
>>>
>>> I apologize for being unclear, but please know that I have tried the
>>> suggestions and it hasn't worked.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/16/13, Gale Andrews <gale@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > | From Eric Lueck <echodash19@xxxxxxxxx> Thu, 15 Aug 2013 19:40:06
>>> > | -0600
>>> > | Subject: A Timing Problem
>>> >> I'm sorry I'm not being clear enough.
>>> >>
>>> >> When I use the left bracket on a track to adjust the starting
>>> >> time, any other tracks selected or otherwise move on the time I
>>> >> just selected.
>>> >
>>> > No other tracks move when using left bracket [ . All left and right
>>> > bracket do is to move the cursor or the selection.
>>> >
>>> > Audacity only has one time range in each project window. So yes the
>>> > cursor or selection will move in all the tracks. Using an older
>>> > version of Audacity will not change that.
>>> >
>>> > If your desire is to move a selected track, what goes wrong when
>>> > you use Tracks > Align Tracks > Align with Cursor as suggested?
>>> > Here are steps that might help.
>>> >
>>> > 1 Select the track you want to move. Deselect all other tracks.
>>> >
>>> > 2 If you have a selection in the project that you don't want,
>>> >    press HOME on your keyboard to remove that selection. This
>>> >    is optional. The Tracks > Align Tracks > Align with Cursor
>>> >    command that you are about to use will align the selected
>>> >    track(s) with either the cursor or with the start of the
>>> >    selection. The cursor or selection will not move.
>>> >
>>> > 3 Use left bracket and enter the time at which you want the
>>> >    selected track to start. Press OK.
>>> >
>>> > 4 Choose Tracks > Align Tracks > Align with Cursor. The selected
>>> >    track now starts at the time you chose but the unselected tracks
>>> >    stay where they were.
>>> >
>>> > The above works in Audacity 2.0.3 from:
>>> > http://audacity.sourceforge.net/download/ .
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> just noticed that I am unable to copy a track or apply an effect.
>>> >
>>> > Try pressing SPACE to stop playback or recording.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Gale
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> On 8/15/13, Gale Andrews <gale@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > | From Eric Lueck <echodash19@xxxxxxxxx> Wed, 14 Aug 2013
>>> >> > | 18:47:47 -0600
>>> >> > | Subject: A Timing Problem
>>> >> >> Alas, the other track always stays at the same selection the
>>> >> >> selected track is on.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > When doing what? Please give us steps to reproduce the problem
>>> >> > then we may be able to see what the problem is.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> Even when no tracks are selected, both tracks play at the same
>>> >> >> time
>>> >> >
>>> >> > It's by design that audibility depends on solo/mute status and
>>> >> > not on selectedness.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> and both move together when selected.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> I don't want to seem cynical, but I'm beginning to think this
>>> >> >> can't be resolved. And it's been this way ever since I
>>> >> >> downloaded the latest version.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > If there is a problem you're the only one to have found it, so
>>> >> > we need to know how to recreate it.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > To answer your other question, you can't use Time Shift Tool
>>> >> > without a mouse, but there is an alternative here:
>>> >> > http://wiki.audacityteam.org/wiki/Nyquist_Effect_Plug-ins#Time_S
>>> >> > hifter
>>> >> > .
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Gale
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> Thanks for the help thus far guys, there might yet be a way out
>>> >> >> of this.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> On 8/13/13, David Bailes <david_bailes@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> >> >> > Hi Eric,
>>> >> >> > you say that you selected a track, and tried to select a time.
>>> >> >> > What
>>> >> >> > did
>>> >> >> > you
>>> >> >> > do to select a time?
>>> >> >> > You can time shift a track by using one of the commands on
>>> >> >> > the Align tracks sub menu, which is on the tracks menu. For
>>> >> >> > example:
>>> >> >> > 1. Move the cursor to where you want the audio to start. You
>>> >> >> > can do this for example by using the [ key during playback,
>>> >> >> > and then pressing spacebar to stop.
>>> >> >> > 2. Open the tracks menu, open the align tracks sub menu, and
>>> >> >> > choose align with cursor. The audio in the selected tracks
>>> >> >> > will be time shifted so that it starts at the cursor
>>> >> >> > position. Any tracks which are not selected will be
>>> >> >> > unaffected.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > David.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> >> >> > From: Eric Lueck <echodash19@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> >> >> > To: audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> >> >> > Cc:
>>> >> >> > Sent: Sunday, 11 August 2013, 17:28
>>> >> >> > Subject: [audacity4blind] Re: A Timing Problem
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > Well, I unchecked sink locked tracks, slected a track and
>>> >> >> > tried to select a time. After doing so, the unselected track
>>> >> >> > automatically moves with the selected track.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > I've heard something about a timeshift tool which might be
>>> >> >> > helpful, but I don't know what it does or if I have one.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > Sorry if I'm being unclear.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > On 8/11/13, Gale Andrews <gale@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> | From Eric Lueck <echodash19@xxxxxxxxx> Sat, 10 Aug 2013
>>> >> >> >> | 14:02:43 -0600
>>> >> >> >> | Subject: A Timing Problem
>>> >> >> >>> For some reason, the time problem persists. I'm not so sure
>>> >> >> >>> now it's a sinked problem, as it is like this by default
>>> >> >> >>> when I got the latest version. Does anyone have this
>>> >> >> >>> problem with the latest?
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> Can you write out steps to reproduce the problem?
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> How are you time shifting the tracks?
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> Gale
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>> On 8/4/13, Gale Andrews <gale@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> >> >> >>> >
>>> >> >> >>> > | From Johchi <Johchi@xxxxxxxxxx> Sat, 03 Aug 2013
>>> >> >> >>> > | 14:39:45 -0400
>>> >> >> >>> > | Subject: A Timing Problem
>>> >> >> >>> >> David,
>>> >> >> >>> >>
>>> >> >> >>> >> This too is another informative post.  I wonder if the
>>> >> >> >>> >> Audacity developers
>>> >> >> >>> >>
>>> >> >> >>> >> ever thought of having a bunch of tips to come up for
>>> >> >> >>> >> new Audacity users.
>>> >> >> >>> >
>>> >> >> >>> > What is your suggestion - Tip of the Day or something
>>> >> >> >>> > like that?
>>> >> >> >>> >
>>> >> >> >>> > Generally it is best to use the documentation:
>>> >> >> >>> >
>>> >> >> >>> > Audacity Manual:
>>> >> >> >>> > http://manual.audacityteam.org/o/
>>> >> >> >>> >
>>> >> >> >>> > David's JAWS Guide:
>>> >> >> >>> > http://vip.chowo.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/jaws/Audacity-2
>>> >> >> >>> > .0.3-Guide.html
>>> >> >> >>> > .
>>> >> >> >>> >
>>> >> >> >>> >
>>> >> >> >>> >
>>> >> >> >>> > Gale
>>> >> >> >>> >
>>> >> >> >>> >
>>> >> >> >>> >> On 8/3/2013 5:46 AM, David Bailes wrote:
>>> >> >> >>> >> > Hi Eric,
>>> >> >> >>> >> > if you are using one of the commands on the align to
>>> >> >> >>> >> > sub menu which
>>> >> >> >>> >> is on the tracks menu, then only the selected tracks
>>> >> >> >>> >> should move.
>>> >> >> >>> >> > One exception to this is if the Sync-Lock Tracks
>>> >> >> >>> >> > option on the tracks
>>> >> >> >>> >> menu is checked. If this is the case then if one or more
>>> >> >> >>> >> tracks are selected, then all the tracks will move.
>>> >> >> >>> >> >   > David.
>>> >> >> >>> >> >
>>> >> >> >>> >> >
>>> >> >> >>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> >> >> >>> >> > From: Eric Lueck <echodash19@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> >> >> >>> >> > To: audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> >> >> >>> >> > Cc:
>>> >> >> >>> >> > Sent: Saturday, 3 August 2013, 3:59
>>> >> >> >>> >> > Subject: [audacity4blind] A Timing Problem
>>> >> >> >>> >> >
>>> >> >> >>> >> > This has probably been answered before, but I couldn't
>>> >> >> >>> >> > find the solution in an Audacity  wiki or any of the
>>> >> >> >>> >> > forums, so I hope to find one here.
>>> >> >> >>> >> >
>>> >> >> >>> >> > I have the latest version, 2.03 I think it is. Anyway,
>>> >> >> >>> >> > my problem is that my tracks are automatically aligned
>>> >> >> >>> >> > and shift in the same time for both when I try
>>> >> >> >>> >> > adjusting. I've tried deselecting tracks and switching
>>> >> >> >>> >> > the times on those, but with no success. So does
>>> >> >> >>> >> > anyone know how I can change time on an individual
>>> >> >> >>> >> > track without effecting any others?
>>> >> >> >>> >> >
>>> >> >> >>> >> > Thanks.
>>
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