so this project would only deal with a computer screen and not your real environment -- Have any of you seen the work of Dr. Bach-y-rita www.wicab.com so is there any prototype program that might show what your goal would sound like? Kevin -----Original Message----- From: asvs-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:asvs-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of david poehlman Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 9:33 AM To: asvs@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [asvs] Re: When Would Synthetic Vision be Useful? Kevin, The main difference between The vOICe model and what we are working with is that the vOICe takes a second to provide a frames worth of information slicing the frame into thin vertical slices and presenting it in a left to right view. The model we are working on would provide a simultanious three d view and hopefully a richer one since we are only dealing with at least I thik we are only dealing with data on the screen and information that could be obtainable from that data in meta fashion, but someone else more quallified than i on the current project can comment on its boundaries. Johnnie Apple Seed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Jones" <kevin@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <asvs@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 10:26 AM Subject: [asvs] Re: When Would Synthetic Vision be Useful? respectfully, I wonder if any of you know about the seeing with sound project www.seeingwithsound.com how does that project differ or parallel from this project? -----Original Message----- From: asvs-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:asvs-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of david poehlman Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 9:15 AM To: asvs@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [asvs] Re: When Would Synthetic Vision be Useful? I've found that though some people may be able to sort of keep track of many things at once, they cannot have a conversation with two people easily at the same time and they can not do something interactively audio while recieving simultanious imput from another audio source. I have also found that even though some people seem to be able to handle multiple simultanious inputs, they cannot sufficiently focus on one in order to provide detaled feedback on it. Having said this though, synthetic vision would form a gishtalt or however you spell it and within that framework, we'd be building an environmental image. Johnnie Apple Seed ----- Original Message ----- From: "InThaneElf" <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <asvs@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 10:09 AM Subject: [asvs] Re: When Would Synthetic Vision be Useful? hello sena, smile the trouble is, is that some can do that some can't. I knew someone that could keep track of multiple things at one time, I went over to visit this person, they had a t v show on, the radio, was singing a entirely different song from either of the first two, had a book in there lap, and was knitting, and keeping track of it all, I can't do that, its one thing at a time, and tend to only be able to focus on the loudest or most prevalent thing in my hearing range. I might be able to keep a track on the transducer inducted and ear picked up items due to the difference between the two, but I'm not even sure on that. each person can handle different things, so I don't know... inthane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@xxxxxxxxx> To: <asvs@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 8:23 PM Subject: [asvs] Re: When Would Synthetic Vision be Useful? > Well...hmm, Will, I'm not so sure about that. > > The reason I say that is I've had two people talking at the same = > time...and > I've been able to actively participate in both conversations... > > Take care, > Sina > > -----Original Message----- > From: asvs-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:asvs-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On = > Behalf > Of Will Pearson > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 3:55 PM > To: asvs@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [asvs] Re: When Would Synthetic Vision be Useful? > > > Yeah, they do seem to have died out a bit. I know that bone conduction = > is > used pretty widely for those with conductive (middle ear) deafness, but > beyond that, there's been very little use made of it. > > I'll see if I can find out more. One thing that intrigues me, is the = > fact > that you would have the signal from the normal ear, plus that from the > conductive system, both going into the cochlear at the same time. I = > don't > know for sure, but I suspect that if you had two people talking at the = > same > time, you might get the cocktail party affect, where you subconciously > filter out all but one speaker. I'll see what I can find out on this. > > Will > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Jerry Weichbrodt" <gerald.g.weichbrodt@xxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <asvs@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 5:52 PM > Subject: [asvs] Re: When Would Synthetic Vision be Useful? > > > > Thanks Peter. I remember reading of mobile phones being made in Japan = > > > a > few > > years back for the Olympics there. Actually, though, my first > introduction > > to bone conduction devices was, as someone else mentioned, a hearing=20 > > test. That was many years ago, and I remember thinking what a=20 > > brilliant approach to sending sound to the ears that technology was. =20 > > I have been amazed > since > > then at not hearing anything to speak of about its use. > > > > Thanks again, > > Jerry > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Zorro" <blindfold@xxxxxxxxxx> > > To: <asvs@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 12:15 PM > > Subject: [asvs] Re: When Would Synthetic Vision be Useful? > > > > > > > Hi Jerry, > > > > > > You can find a recent article on bone conduction transducers that=20 > > > are on the market or under development in Wired News at the URL > > > > > > http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,64963,00.html > > > > > > The article is titled "High-Tech Hearing Bypasses Ears". > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Peter Meijer > > > > > > > > > Seeing with Sound - The vOICe http://www.seeingwithsound.com > > > http://www.visualprosthesis.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >