[asvs] Re: The Concept & Development Road Map

  • From: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <asvs@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 08:08:17 -0400

ok, I see that spatiality can be done at least in theory through simulation, 
but in practice, I've never seen it to be precice enough to be of much use. 
It does well with movement and the juxtapositioning of similar sounds with 
respect to distance, but for stationary sounds, it seems to fall flat.

Johnnie Apple Seed

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Will Pearson" <will-pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <asvs@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 5:04 AM
Subject: [asvs] Re: The Concept & Development Road Map

Hi Sina,

I understand what you're saying about the use of the latest technology.
Often, it's assumed that this brings greater benefits to the user, but I
would argue that it only brings benefits if they fit the user's needs.

If we look at where this sort of system might be used, it has potential
application for being used in homes, places of work, outside, to name a few.
Whilst surround sound has it's advantages, it's only really possible to use
it in a few situations.  If you were working next to someone using this
system, then the noise generated by speakers may be distracting, that's if
there's room to fit in all the speakers into the office.

So, surround sound won't be appropriate everywhere, and in order to get the
system users are the happiest with, we need to design to use the technology
that best meets their needs.

So, stereo headphones or two speakers would work best.  This doesn't mean
we're not using surround sound, just that the surround element is simulated.
This gives the benefits of getting pretty much, the same results across all
systems.  This means that users can move from one machine with this system
installed, to another, and expect roughly the same results.  Things like the
use of different headphones may affect the perceived distance, due to
different headphones attenuating at different rates, but this would just
mean that the display will be slightly nearer or further away, but will
still have the same composition.  By using Direct Sound, we can eliminate
the need to have a sound card with 3D capabilities.  Each different sound
card manufacturer will probably use different algorithms for calculating the
3D space, and may even use different algorithms across different models.
Direct Sound allows us to run the secondary sound buffers in software, which
basically means we'll be using the 3D algorithms of Direct Sound, and be
using system resources to do all the work.  Again, this means we'll get
consistent results across different machines, and even on the same machine,
where when the hardware buffers on the sound card run out, will default to
software buffers, and thus will be using two sets of algorithms to calculate
3D space.

After saying that, if you've got surround sound, and you're in a situation
where it's appropriate to use it, there will be nothing stopping you.  It's
just that it's not a good practice to get users to fit to the technology,
rather it's better practice to get the technology to fit to the users.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <asvs@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 4:51 AM
Subject: [asvs] Re: The Concept & Development Road Map

> Thanks for your valueable response...
> I guess this concerns me..if we are going to be working on a project =
> that
> requires old, rather than new technology...then I believe some =
> reevaluation
> of objectives might be in order...i was under the impression we can make
> this work with a wide variety of sound rendering devices...not just a =
> forced
> dependance on stereo headphones?
> I realize the project Will is working on will be slightly =
> different..but, I
> was just wondering what our hardware dependancies will be?
> Oh yeh: and let me point out that no matter what the dependancy or =
> whatever
> the case: I have the ut most of respect and gratitude for all of your =
> work.
> I truly mean that...i think it's a wonderful thing you all are doing, =
> and I
> sincerely appreciate this.
> Take care,
> Sina
> -----Original Message-----
> From: asvs-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:asvs-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On =
> Behalf
> Of Zorro
> Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 8:30 PM
> To: asvs@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [asvs] Re: The Concept & Development Road Map
> Hi Sina,
>  > Well I did not use stereo headphones...but I tried it
>  > on a 6.1 surround sound system...and just my laptop...
>  > which definitely has stereo.
> Surround sound is killing: the added acoustics are very
> bad for our purposes - even though it may sound nice.
> Stereo headphones are the only way to go, with any 3D
> audio or similar feature of your sound card turned off.
> The vOICe uses its own sound renderings, in a delicate trade-off between
> good and bad effects of spatial sound. That said, there may of course =
> also
> be personal hearing differences.
> In any case, thanks for trying.
> Peter Meijer
> Seeing with Sound - The vOICe
> http://www.seeingwithsound.com
> http://www.visualprosthesis.com

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