I have been using xara pro recently and by accident I found the following but first to hopefully make it clearer If you have a group of shapes and you select and hold any one of them the whole group will move wherever the pointer moves (same as AW) if you press Ctrl and select continuously you can then move in increments 45 degrees in any direction (again same as AW) However if you tap any shape within the group with ctrl held down that shape can be moved independently but stays attached to that group wherever it is placed the amount of time I would save over a year would give me a much needed holiday - so please Martin.... Nick K -- ------------------------------------------------------------ To change, suspend or cancel your subscription go to //www.freelists.org/list/artworks ------------------------------------------------------------