I’m on a PC and have to use the Adobe CPU to print out profiles since this option has been dropped since Photshop CS5 came out. I suspect that your problems relate to the MacOS print utility as you did get reasonable results with the ColorMunki printed charts. The CM software uses its own printing process for the targets. The fact that you had such high Delta Es leads me to think that it was the ColorSync software. I’ve done lots of profiles over the last several years using the Adobe CPU and have never had the type of problems you have shown. As others have already noted, keep the command line arguments to a minimum unless there is a very good reason to change them. Regarding papers I echo what others have already noted. I routinely use Museo Portfolio Rag and Hahnemuhle William Turner for textured paper. Depending on how concerned you are about print longevity you may want to visit: http://www.aardenburg-imaging.com/index.html where there is lots of test results with various papers and ink sets regarding fade resistance. Do let us know if it was the MacOS printing of the target that was the issue. Cheers, Alan From: argyllcms-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:argyllcms-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Michael Gallagher Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 10:01 PM To: argyllcms@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [argyllcms] Re: Very poor results with 1000+ patch target. Hmm... here's something I just noticed. In ColorSync, when I select "Print as color target", the colors in the little preview window end up changing drastically. Is this normal? I saved the preview as a PDF on the bottom of the Print window to show you guys. Here they are: Original Argyll generated TIF target: https://www.dropbox.com/s/kfp78d7oytepynh/1050_Arches%20Original.tif?dl=0 ColorSync Target saved as PDF: https://www.dropbox.com/s/b6pvvsgniw9misz/Arches%20ColorSync%20Target.pdf?dl=0 I'm going to try using Adobe's Color Print Utility to see if the same thing happens during the print. On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 7:39 PM, Ben Goren <ben@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:ben@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote: On Oct 4, 2014, at 6:23 PM, Michael Gallagher <gallaghermikey@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:gallaghermikey@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > Forgot to ask again: After I make this new target, is there any way to > generate targets/patches from a JPEG to optimize the profile? That sort of thing is much more useful for input (camera or scanner) profiles. In your case, what you'll want to do is use the "basic" profile you're about to create to "pre-condition" the patch generation algorithm in targen; see the "-c" option. b&