Hi ! Exuse for the delay. I have tried to doublechech almost everything, pherhaps I missed somthing. ----------- I have made thre scanner profiles: xyz_cLUT colprof ..... -qm -ax -u ......... Lab_cLUT.icm colprof ..... -qm -al -u .......... Matris Shape colprof ........ -qm -as -u ......... (perhaps -u has no influence here) --------------- The profiling target has some patches whit small valuse in some patches, scanin delivery this result : row 534 from the ti3-file xyz cLUT: 534 0.0000 45.882 100.00 0.0000 52.245 41.091 -8.4961e-006 -small but negative value lab cLUT 534 0.0000 45.882 100.00 0.0000 48.450 37.823 1.0219 matris/shape 534 0.0000 45.882 100.00 0.0000 60.461 47.425 6.0778 --------------- Perhaps it is possible to set small values below zero to zero, or to some small positive value, or abort processing, what now is the best. --------------- The use of Matris/shape and LabcLut gives both good profiles, whit some small visible differences, in all rendering exept "abolute calorimetric", where the white point is to low, I suppose. I have problems to decide whitch I prefer. best regads Magnus