Jerry, On soft proofing... I think another way you can soft proof is to convert the image from your working space into printer space using your chosen intent (relative without bpc, relative with bpc, absolute, perceptual). This yields the device RGB values that would be sent to the printer. Then convert those from printer space back to working space using absolute colorimetric. This will put the expected print colors back into a standard space for comparison and display. With this manual method, you're in control and you aren't having to rely on any soft proofing features in your software. On the matte shadows... If you had grayscale patches as part of your printer profiling targets, then you can look at the measurements for those patches inside the ti3 files (to do the comparisons that Graeme suggested). There will for sure be black patches in there. What are the black patch Lab values for the matte papers versus the glossy? When you print with relative colorimetric, are you using a black point compensation option? Thanks. - Brad