On 8/8/07, "Gerhard Fürnkranz" <> wrote: > Yes, of course. If the darkes patch which can be printed > by the printer/driver/rip deviates from neutral, then a > profile might even choose a somewhat brighter, but more > neutral color as "black" (depends on the profiler). Thanks again. It's nice to have my conclusions verified. I tested after my last e-mail printing a few different dark cmyk testpatches. After goggling the topic I created four different, and I hoped that one of them is as dark as possible. $ convert -colorspace cmyk -size 300x300 -density 300 "xc:cmyk(100%,100%,100%,0%)" cmyk-100-100-100-0.tif $ convert -colorspace cmyk -size 300x300 -density 300 "xc:cmyk(100%,100%,100%,100%)" cmyk-100-100-100-100.tif $ convert -colorspace cmyk -size 300x300 -density 300 "xc:cmyk(0%,0%,0%,100%)" cmyk-0-0-0-100.tif $ convert -colorspace cmyk -size 300x300 -density 300 "xc:cmyk(63%,52%,51%,100%)" richblack.tif I printed each of them with cinepaint "direct printing cmyk". The file cmyk-0-0-0-100.tif was not printed at all with cinepaint. The paper just spooled through the printer. Photprint printed it. I then created a bigger canvas with an c0,m0,y0,k100 rectangle inside. This time it was printed with cinepaint. My measurement is taken with spotread, with fwa compensation on the paper. 100-100-100-0.tif Result is D50 Lab: 12.148500 -3.201308 -0.708121 100-100-100-100.tif Result is D50 Lab: 13.460757 -0.906329 -3.565527 0-0-0-100.tif Result is D50 Lab: 19.964830 0.008343 7.505049 richblack.tif Result is D50 Lab: 11.210768 -4.049849 1.246078 My conclusion is that the gray step mentioned in previous e-mail is printed correctly, and I have to figure out how to calibrate gutenprint, or accept a lab value around 11-13. Regards Lars Tore Gustavsen