Wallden Magnus wrote: > -> and i have a printer profile , for some paper ok, and some a > little bit less, I think the "jump" is to big. > ------------------- > now I want to improve some of the printer profile. The workflow is > described in the Refine manual text under "Discussion" > I use refine and colprof , but the result wasn't good. Basically, refine is rather intended for a different use case : "Typically the charts would be printed on a target system (the one being emulated, say a printing press), and the proofing system (the one that is being profiled). The abstract profile that refine produces will be a correction that makes the proofing system behave more like the target." I guess you don't want to setup a proofing system, do you? Possibly the B2A tables of a single printer can nevertheless be refined too, but if you run refine shortly after creating the profile (so that no aging of the printer has happened in the meantime) I would not expect much (if any) improvement (except possibly if the printer profile was initially created from too few patches, or if you just refine a very particular region (e.g. skin tones, etc.) of the color space). But generally, I think any additional patches you would have to print and measure for each refine pass are likely better invested into the target you use to create the profile. I can only speculate, but in your case I guess the problem is possibly rather the (in)accuracy of the (scanner-based) color measurements. If the measurements are wrong, the profile will be wrong too, and any refinement will still give wrong results either. A soft proof on the monitor will usually look fine in this case (since the same systematic error is included in both, the A2B and B2A tables of the profile, and thus cancels out), though the actual print will show color casts. Regards, Gerhard