For ages I've deleted incoming messages with no messageid. I do check the logs to see what that gets rid of, on every scan. The most recent scan has just deleted a mail Subject: Google Groups: Your subscription request is approved which I might have thought was spam if it wasn't for the fact that I did attempt to sign up with Google Groups last night. I really have no idea if it was genuine or not. Anyone else who is becoming a customer of google groups might like to beware. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll, Edinburgh, Scotland - my opinions are my own.