I found another shop that wanted my extra WACF's (I had 3, sold her 2) and I took HER CCF frames that she didn't want! Guess it depends on what works for you... I then ordered the brim 'holder' assembly to put on them. Cheesy little thing with stretch cords but hey, it works. Our problem with hats no sewing right was the brim hitting on the back of the needle case as it rotated...that pulled the brim and stretched the face-distorting the sewing. Now it works great! Roland =========================================================== The AmayaUsers Mailing List Website: http://www.amayausers.com Discussion Board: http://www.amayausers.com/boards Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.amayausers.com/list ===========================================================