Re: [amayausers] Re: high stitch count on hats....In the past when we have had stubborn designs on unstructured hats take your long piece of backing and give it a light mist of spray adhesive, then as you hoop it work the hat down flat and smooth on the hat frame and backing and if you have your backing flat straight and smooth, and its hooped and clamped your hat will stay flat and not creep around nearly as much. Worth trying. Ron Vinyard Body Cover Design 1-888-435-0176 ----- Original Message ----- From: Roland R. Irish III To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 9:16 AM Subject: [amayausers] Re: high stitch count on hats.... Got to be a trick to hooping up unstructured on the WACF....we ruined hat after hat and threw the job out...talked customer into structured hat to finish the run. So there is something not working. Even tried using the cardboard 'packing sleeve' as recommended by trainer....that helped, but really left a mess in the bobbin area. Problem was a lot of the design-multi color, lots of detail, borders around lettering/logo, etc. Never could get the hat face to stop shifting around-so borders never lined up. And this was with the CCF hooper-at least basic work we can do on it. Wide frame we ended up using only for structured high profile until we got the CCF-haven't used the wide one since and no desire to ruin more hats! Roland From: Mike Garber <agraphic2@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Reply-To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 09:04:03 -0700 To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [amayausers] Re: high stitch count on hats.... Roland, I have used the WACF for unstructured hats tons. I use one tearaway and try to hoop tight with the clips provided on the sides. I have to make some adjustments to the design if it has outlines to get them lined up. Two tearaways sometimes help. Mike Roland R. Irish III wrote: Design is dictated by the size of the hat face and crown, you have the formula on that page, but that is only for the wide cap frame and you are limited by the type of hat, etc. Conventional CCFWAD max field is 2.75 x 6" but low profile hats can't handle more than 2"-and then you lose some height because you can't sew close to the brim. Using the CCFWAD you are totally restricted to this area for sewing and you find out fast using the auto trace feature. Roland From: "HK Acree" <hkacree@xxxxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:hkacree@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Reply-To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 08:45:53 -0700 To: <amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [amayausers] Re: high stitch count on hats.... The size of your design is not determined by the cap frame you use. On page 6-21 of the AMAYA Manual there is a formula for determining the maximum sewing field for caps. Herb ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean A. Allen" <jaa1943@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:jaa1943@xxxxxxxxx> To: <amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 7:43 AM Subject: [amayausers] Re: high stitch count on hats.... Roland, do you use the wide angle cap frame? I've wondered if the old style cap frames would be a good investment..it seems like we can get a larger design on cap. Thanks Jean Ann Allen --- "Roland R. Irish III" <signman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:signman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: 15,000 stitches on a hat with Amaya is nothing...even for me as a 'still' struggling beginner. I just did a batch of hats for a jeep show last week and it was around that amount, and have done a couple small orders higher than that. Real tricky getting the settings right-and using the correct hat. I'm still not having much luck with 'low profile' unstructured-best hats I've had good luck with are the 'flexfit' style with no seam in front, med. or high profile, and structured... just takes more practice to get those others right! Roland