This message was posted by Wishes on AmayaUsers.com. PLEASE DO NOT REPLY VIA EMAIL. Instead, respond to the thread on the WEBSITE by clicking here: http://www.amayausers.com/boards/ultimatebb.php?/topic/2/354.html#000004 I have done this by making three or four copies of the shape. Each shape gets a different set of densitites by using the effects button. 1. Make 2 copies of the oval. 2. Click on the first oval, fill and effects. 3. Select none in the top box. 4. Go to the bottom of the window and adjust the min and max for the density. Also click the Convex line. I think this will start are thin density to thick then to thin. This should be the yellow layer. 5. Orange layer should be fill, effects, top box none and the bottom box click on convex and then then invert button. This should do the opposite of the yellow layer. It might also be the wave increasing. I don't have my DS open becasue it is on a diffent computer. 6. When you stitch one layer on top of the other the threads should have thin enough density so they show through. Don't make them too thick or you will have a lot of thread breaks. I may not have everything exact but once you get into effects and play you will get the idea. Hope this gets you started. Margaret =========================================================== The AmayaUsers Mailing List Website: http://www.amayausers.com Discussion Board: http://www.amayausers.com/boards Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.amayausers.com/list ===========================================================