This message was posted by Five Point Emb on AmayaUsers.com. PLEASE DO NOT REPLY VIA EMAIL. Instead, respond to the thread on the WEBSITE by clicking here: http://www.amayausers.com/boards/ultimatebb.php?/topic/6/174.html#000007 The Dakota catalog has great pictures and all the colors are listed in order. Each color is on a Madeira chart in the front. So M. Black3 is Madeira thread color 270. I don't use that brand exclusively so I have always made the color choices that best match the suggested ones AND fit what my customer wants. Two catalogs come with the whole collection or you can buy one from them. Darlene Duseberg Five Point Embroidery Perrysburg, OH =========================================================== The AmayaUsers Mailing List Website: http://www.amayausers.com Discussion Board: http://www.amayausers.com/boards Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.amayausers.com/list ===========================================================