This message was posted by HERB on AmayaUsers.com. PLEASE DO NOT REPLY VIA EMAIL. Instead, respond to the thread on the WEBSITE by clicking here: http://www.amayausers.com/boards/ultimatebb.php?/topic/2/614.html#000002 The problem is really not so much the type of tie-off. What changing to a different style does is change the triangle of thread made when the machine is preparing to trim. I have also added a stitch to the tie-ff and had it work, sometimes it does not. I have found that relocating the trim or changing the thread direction a bit will work, although this is not 100%. I know of no technique that works perfectly all the time. Go to DS. Element properties/lock-trim and use the radio buttons to change the parameters. =========================================================== The AmayaUsers Mailing List Website: http://www.amayausers.com Discussion Board: http://www.amayausers.com/boards Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.amayausers.com/list ===========================================================