[amayausers] Re: Thread Breaks
- From: "Shuffletown Embroidery" <shuffemb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:45:41 -0500
OK, What's a reciprocator? I've never seen a reference to it. Is that on an
Amaya?
Mary
Mary Buckle
Shuffletown Embroidery
Charlotte, NC
704-398-1273
-----Original Message-----
From: amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Douglas Parker
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 4:19 PM
To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [amayausers] Re: Thread Breaks
Hi Jeff,
Tnx for the reply. I too watch maintenance and use the timers as a basic
guide. Daily and sometimes multiple times a day when running hard, I do the
hook lubrication. Several times a week, even before the timer comes around I
cycle to needle 16 and do the reciprocator lubrication, and at least 1 time
every two weeks I pull the needle case cover and lube the needle bars upper
and lower pads. If the machine has sat idle for several days ( and in slow
times, this can be up to a couple of weeks or even a month), I run the
entire machine lubrication. This takes a couple of hours but I find it is
worth it. Oil and grease are cheap as are needles. Replacing major parts are
expensive even with the maintenance agreements.
My machine is an older one (SN: 320821) and has all its original parts
except for the rotary hook. It still stitches fine and runs at 1200 spm
default speed.
Regards,
Doug Parker
JTB Embroidery Services, Inc.
Denver, CO
jtbembsvcinc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
On 3/23/06 14:06, "Jeff Banks" <banksje@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> HI Douglas,
>
> I think you will find it is now 4,000,000 stitches. But, I have to go
back
> to my last post. If 3,900,000 of those stitches were all on one or two
> needles, I am gong to look long and hard at those rollers and associated
> mechanics. It also does not state to replace them unless needed. It is a
> lubrication and cleaning, and replace if needed maintenance. Again, what
if
> the 4,000,000 stitches were done with metallic thread? This is going to
show
> more wear and tear on the parts. What if the 4,000,000 stitches were done
in
> a 100 degree heat, in a warehouse with construction next door going on?
All
> the rollers may be dirty, not just the ones used for those 4 million
> stitches. If a particular thread feed mechanics and rollers seem to be
> giving a problem, (thread popping out along one side for instance), then
> doing the maintenance and insuring it is clean and properly lubricated is
> the first thing to look at, even if you just did it. The point is, more or
> less maintenance may need to be done depending on use and environment.
>
> Jeff Banks
> Melco Embroidery Systems
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Douglas Parker" <jtbembsvcinc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 1:44 PM
> Subject: [amayausers] Re: Thread Breaks
>
>
>> Rod & All,
>> Have been following this thread on thread tracking and new roller
>> lubrication. I recently (December 2005) replaced my black rollers with
the
>> new yellow rollers and the knurled pinch rollers. As you pointed out, it
>> is
>> difficult, following the Melco approved lubrication procedures, to get
the
>> roller down in the seat without contaminating the surface with grease.
>> At the same time I replaced the rollers I upgraded my software from
>> 4.02.022
>> to 6.08.522. There is in the 6.08.522 a lubrication procedure ( I believe
>> at
>> 2 million stitches) that requires the removal, cleaning, lubrication and
>> replacement of the feed rollers and pinch rollers. I have had to do this
>> at
>> least one time since the initial installation.
>>
>> Maybe Jeff Banks can verify this as he is a MELCO guru.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Doug Parker
>> JTB Embroidery Services, Inc.
>> Denver, Colorado
>> jtbembsvcinc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>>
>> On 3/23/06 08:35, "Rod or Sharon" <springer37@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Beverly,
>>> The new style yellow rollers are a definite improvement over the black
>>> ones
>>> but they are critical to a couple of important items. The first is
proper
>>> lubrication, especially the little red pinch rollers. Both the red pinch
>>> rollers and the yellow thread feed rollers need to be removed
>>> periodically
>>> and cleaned . It is difficult to say just how long between cleanings one
>>> should wait. This would depend on how much one needle is used over
>>> another
>>> and the wear each individual roller system would receive. Pop off a
>>> couple
>>> of the more used red pinch rollers, black or white thread for example or
>>> the
>>> ones that seem to be giving you the most trouble, and look carefully at
>>> the
>>> axle hub that it rotates on. If they appear dry and/or you can see a
>>> red
>>> powder looking residue on the axle hub the red pinch roller rotates on,
>>> it
>>> is imperative that they be cleaned and lubricated.
>>>
>>> A good pre-sign that lubrication may be the culprit, is the thread
>>> tracking
>>> to the left side of the roller as you indicated in your post.
>>>
>>> The second thing that is critical with the new rollers is that if any
oil
>>> or
>>> grease gets on the surface of them, the tread will track clear off of
the
>>> left side of the rollers and cause a bird-nest. They must be kept clean.
>>> To
>>> clean them, take them out----both the red pinch rollers and yellow
thread
>>> feed rollers........, and wash them with warm soapy water, re-lubricate
>>> and
>>> replace them being very careful not to get any lubricating grease back
on
>>> the surface of the rollers. I always wash my hands after applying the
>>> lubricating greas e with a cotton q-tip before re-attaching the red
>>> rollers
>>> and inserting the yellow rollers. I apply the grease to the axle hub the
>>> red
>>> roller rotates on and the hub area in the machine that the yellow roller
>>> rotates in, I do not apply any grease direcly to the rollers themselves
>>> as
>>> it is very difficult not to transfer grease all over the place.
>>>
>>> Another item worthy of mention, along this same line, is how long has it
>>> been since the needle bar shafts were last oiled? This too can create
>>> thread
>>> break problems for the same reason as above. Some needles get used more
>>> often than others and therefore should receive more attention in the
>>> lubrication field. How fast are you running your designs? Remember
>>> additional speed equals more friction which generates heat which means
>>> lubrication is and will be a very critical element in being successful
>>> while
>>> using the Amaya..
>>>
>>> Hope this helps
>>>
>>> Rod Springer
>>>
>>> Embroidery Cottage
>>> Rod & Sharon Springer
>>>
>>> Melco Amaya Tech & Trainer
>>> Design Shop Pro+ Digitizing
>>>
>>> Boise, ID 83713
>>> 208-938-3038
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Beverly Thompson" <beverlyt@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 7:32 AM
>>> Subject: [amayausers] Re: Thread Breaks
>>>
>>>
>>>> Herb,
>>>>
>>>> thanks for the advice. I am running anvil rib tees, using 2 cutaway,
>>>> and
>>>> mt of 4. It seems that alot of times when it breaks there's a little
>>>> loop
>>>> of thread behind the roller wheel. also on some of the rollers it
looks
>>>> like the yellow roller is far to the right and the thread barely on it.
>>>> Could that be a problem?
>>>> As far as the needles, I always check to see if the eye is straight,
if
>>>> not
>>>> i make an adjustment there. thanks for the magnifer tip, i find i
have
>>>> trouble seeing even with my glasses. So your saying go up to 6 mt and
>>>> try
>>>> that?
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Beverly Thompson
>>>> Perdido Beach Embroidery
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "HK Acree" <hkacree@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 12:16 AM
>>>> Subject: [amayausers] Re: Thread Breaks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Bev,
>>>>> After the change in rollers the material thickness you were used to
>>>>> using
>>>>> changes. Bump it up by 2 to begin with then check your work and adjust
>>>>> accordingly. You should see far less thread breaks.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for your needles. Rod Springer really helped me on this one. Get a
>>>>> magnifier with the light in it. Cheap at Home Depot, $2.50.
>>>>> Look at the groove in the needle. This represents the eye. Tweak it a
>>>>> hair
>>>>> and the needles are set.
>>>>>
>>>>> Would appreciate some feedback on this.
>>>>>
>>>>> Herb
>>>>> Royal Embroidery
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Beverly Thompson" <beverlyt@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 5:51 PM
>>>>> Subject: [amayausers] Thread Breaks
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello Everybody,
>>>>>> did the roller upgrade on my machines, not the software. i am
>>>>>> starting
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> get thread breaks again. some needles run good others not. I don't
>>>>>> think
>>>>>> it was how they were put in or anything because a tech did it.
>>>>>> Can someone tell me again how to clean the rollers in case its
grease.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Beverly Thompson
>>>>>> Perdido Beach Embroidery
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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