Hi Bill. Change the degrees of arc to get the right shape, and make the wording longer to go in a complete circle. If you want half right side up read left to right going across the top, and half right side up read left to right going across the bottom, do the top line as CW - clockwise, and the bottom line as CCW - counter clockwise. CW rotation is 0, CCW rotation is -180 (minus 180). HTH, Judy In a message dated 03/05/2009 6:25:53 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, wag@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: Is there a means in DesignShop Pro+ by which one can put letters around a circle? I know how to use “ARC,” but often that is not as round as I want. Any help will be appreciated. Bill Bill & Trish Griffin EmbroiderOn 715 First Street Elizabeth City, NC 27909 252.335.2321 _www.EmbroiderOn.com_ (http://www.embroideron.com/) **************Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005)