Thanks Ron, I guess I should have explained that it's a polo style sport shirt (for a teacher-Math tools sticking out of the pocket, and it has to be just right for the compass to hang down on the left side.) Will the tape trick work for this? As I said, I'm spatially hopeless. (I teach 9 year olds all day...I have an excuse!) I'm only the "Computermaster" around here. "Hoopmaster" Bessie will read this in the morning and give it a whirl. Kim @ Athena Embroidery