I just eyeball it but I find if you hoop it straight across it always seems to look lower so I actually hoop them a little high and they turn out perfect. Of course I eyebal everything and after doing this for 10 years I probably make it look/sound easier than it is but I have never used a hooping device so I am not sure how I would do on one of them. Aaron Sargent The Linen Barn linen@xxxxxxxxxxx 541-770-2957 Medford, OR ----- Original Message ----- From: Darlene Weber To: Amaya Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 1:21 PM Subject: [amayausers.com] Names on shirts Can anyone tell me their secrets as to how you get the name even on a shirt that has a logo on the opposite chest side??? How do you measure and what do you measure from? Mine have a tendency to not be even when I am done sewing both of them!! Thanks for all the ideas everyone shares! Darlene ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.