This message was posted by Coach on AmayaUsers.com. PLEASE DO NOT REPLY VIA EMAIL. Instead, respond to the thread on the WEBSITE by clicking here: http://www.amayausers.com/boards/ultimatebb.php?/topic/4/536.html#000003 Hmmm. I thought your question was clear enough. I actually saw a website on how to create blank or unblank patches where the final stitch was a cm outside of the 8x8 and that was a super dence walk stitch that would cause the patch blank to just fall out like cookie cutting. They also used some glue on the edges and on the thread ends to prevent unraveling. I also remember a really fiberous looking backing was used. Buut i have never seen blank patches.. How would you hoop them.. At any rate if you find what you are looking for please let me know. Coach =========================================================== The AmayaUsers Mailing List Website: http://www.amayausers.com Discussion Board: http://www.amayausers.com/boards Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.amayausers.com/list ===========================================================