Hi Bob: Your points are all valid (and good stuff as well!) but I think you are missing Veena's point - this machine does not operate in the same way traditional embroidery machines do. Understanding how it works - what it's strengths are - how accurate it is, and the high speeds and precision it is capable of can lead to better produced designs that will run exceptionally well on the Amaya. The same design that runs great on the Amaya, might just run OK on other machines out of the box. Anyhoo, I think we have exausted this topic ;) John -----Original Message----- From: amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kushnerick Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 11:09 AM To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [amayausers] Re: Digitizer Hi Veena It is not uncommon for stock designs to require editing in order to produce a quality stitchout ..... regardless of the brand of machine used. Many stock designs will benefit from things like reduced densities, removal of short stitches, adjustment to stitch lengths, etc. The fact that your Amaya will run better after editing a Dakota design is not really an indication of a design being made specifically for the Amaya but instead just good practice when using stock designs regardless of the brand of machine used. Properly editing a stock design will mean that the design will run better on an Amaya, Tajima, Barudan, Toyota, SWF, Happy, or any other machine which someone may be using. We have been embroidering / digitizing for a number of years and have never used a stitch density of 3.2 If using 60 wt. thread with a for very small lettering, I might increase density to 3.8 but that is it. Virtually all embroiderer's will be using a 40 wt. thread [poly or rayon] and I believe that a density range of 4.5 - 5.0 is what will normally produce the best quality designs. If coverage is not sufficient in this density range then often adjustments to underlay stitching, stitch lengths and/or stitch direction is a better choice [instead of increasing density]. A good quality design should "flow" with the garment, not "bullet proof" it. I believe that excessive stitch density is often compensation for poor digitizing .... which in turn, results in a poor quality stitchout. Have a great weekend Bob Veena Viswanath wrote: >Bob, > >Yes that is true (ideally). But it really is not. It has to do with >the new technology of feeding mechanism of Amaya Vs. the pull mechanism >of the upper thread in older machine. The older designs do sew out, >but you need to adjust them for the amaya. This is my first commercial >embroidery machine and this is what I learnt at the training class. >Later I realized it was true especially when sewing Dakota designs. > > A 3.2 density doesn't necessarily mean bad digitizing. Since density >is related to column width, thread weight and other factors, the >digitizer could have done this on purpose. But my previous design that >I got digitized was not up to my expectation. > >Best Regards, >Veena Viswanath > > >Iris Embroidery >www.IrisEmbroidery.com >(510)-226-6171 > > >-----Original Message----- >From: amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >[mailto:amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kushnerick >Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 10:26 PM >To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >Subject: [amayausers] Re: Digitizer > >Veena > >I really can't see a reason that an embroidery design has to digitized >specifically for the Amaya. A well digitized design should run well on >all machines [including the Amaya]. > >To me, any design which has a density of 3.2 means that it is poorly >digitized and if your Amaya won't stitch it ...... then your machine is >doing you a favor. > >Bob > > > > > >>I digitize most of my designs myself. Once in a while, I stump on >> >> >something > > >>and need help. The previous job I got stumped with a very difficult >> >> >client, > > >>I got it digitized by Clear Sky and it was not any better than what I >>had done. Most people are used to digitizing for other machines where >>they >> >> >have > > >>densities of 3.2 which croaks on my amaya. In the end, mine came out >> >> >better > > >>since I had perfected it. Also, I got a hint from roland to use satin >>fill instead of column and it came out pretty good. >> >>I do spend quite a bit of time doing it. Janel Harris from Silver >>Star Embroidery does do digitizing for Amaya. She did a few designs for me. >> >>Even when I help out some one, I do a complete stitch out on my >>machine to make sure it runs ok. >> >>Best Regards, >>Veena Viswanath >>=========================================================== >> >>=========================================================== >> >>The AmayaUsers Mailing List >>Website: http://www.amayausers.com >>Discussion Board: http://www.amayausers.com/boards >>Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.amayausers.com/list >> >>=========================================================== >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >=========================================================== > >The AmayaUsers Mailing List >Website: http://www.amayausers.com >Discussion Board: http://www.amayausers.com/boards >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.amayausers.com/list > >=========================================================== > >=========================================================== > >The AmayaUsers Mailing List >Website: http://www.amayausers.com >Discussion Board: http://www.amayausers.com/boards >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.amayausers.com/list > >=========================================================== > > > > =========================================================== The AmayaUsers Mailing List Website: http://www.amayausers.com Discussion Board: http://www.amayausers.com/boards Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.amayausers.com/list =========================================================== =========================================================== The AmayaUsers Mailing List Website: http://www.amayausers.com Discussion Board: http://www.amayausers.com/boards Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.amayausers.com/list ===========================================================