If your artwork is vector (not lettering that can still be edited) then you can go to Working with Vector Objects in your manual, it's chapter 7 in mine) and find 'Subract Vector Objects'. This sounds very simple and easy. Lettering has to be converted to vector, also explained in same chapter. This is available in DesignShop Pro+ only from what my book says. You have your items stacked correctly-(top object sews after bottom, in your stitch tree) then select both, and click the subtract vector tool on the menu bar. Now I don't know if this feature was deleted in newer versions-mine has not been updated since January...but works for me! Roland =========================================================== The AmayaUsers Mailing List Website: http://www.amayausers.com Discussion Board: http://www.amayausers.com/boards Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.amayausers.com/list ===========================================================